John Baldwin Theobald

[Suznor]

Hi
Can anyone help trace John Baldwin Theobald.   Here's what i know

Born: 1809/10 Freshwater Isle of Wight to John Theobald and Elizabeth Dore Marriage to Ann Funnell Oct 1831 Hackney - they had 9 children born in the Shoreditch, London area from 1831-1850.  I believe Ann died in  1869 in Shoreditch.

The last census in found the family in was 1851 living in Shoreditch and he was an Iron founder

I know that some time between 1851 - 1869 John found his way to New Zealand and  he didn't taken his family with him
I cannot find any immigration records.
But i have found a news paper obituary for John for 1869 in Castle Point.
What i would like to discover anything else which points to why he went to New Zealand.

Suznor

[TwiggyTree]

In case you haven't seen this and to help others here with their profiling: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bjs/ .

[TwiggyTree]

Electoral Rolls may show were he was moving backwards from the year he died AND it may show family.

Was it the NZ Directory/ Almanac that listed the first householders in 1869?
Wises only started in 1872 but it could still be interesting to look at that year for surviving relatives - someone had to put that notice in the paper.

[Suznor]

Thanks TwiggyTree

Do you know if the NZ electoral are on line?   Also the NZ Directory/ Almanac ? And what is Wises?


Suznor

[Thamesite2017]

The Wises is a Post Office street directory, you paid to go in it so its not always conclusive that a person was in NZ
The Almanac a similar early list and there are other driectories by different companies
There are early directory rolls that wre usually dependent on a person owning property, so again not always a help

Many libraries in NZ and overseas such as Aus have fiche of these records and some pay per view sites have some early directories.

The quickest way would be to get the death certificate printout, although early and often lacking info, it may have more definite info on life in NZ, residence, etc
Someone who has had an early death cert may tell us how much info they got (1869)

Bye
Althea

there are lots of early wellington records on this iste
but can't spot John so far, your eyes may have more luck
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~babznz/Nzlinks.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~babznz/electoral.html

[Thamesite2017]

another Q
1861 english census?
Have you found any of the family in that??
Was Ann with any of them, what are the names of some of the youngestchildren that were born late 1840s?
Just trying to see whether others could have come to NZ with John

Bye
althea

[Suznor]

Hi and thanks Althea,

Here's what i have found out about the family so far:

I have no record of John B in then 1861 census

I think that Ann died in 1869 in Shoreditch (1c 133) aged 59 but can't locate her in 1861 census

Children:
Caroline b. 1833 - have copy of bpt record / married George Guest 1855 had issue did 1911 Shoreditch - census records -1841-1901
Christiana b 1834 bpt record died 1872 unmarried had illegimate child Christiana in Shoreditch workhouse in 1859 and she died 1859.
Mary b 1836 only have bpt record
Ann(a) b1839 no bpt record but possible marriage to Robert Baldwin in 1863 in Bishopsgate
John b 1841 no bpt record found but possible marriage to Matlida Cook in 1863 St James Shoreditch
William b 1843 nothing found so far
Harriet b1845 bpt record found died 1845 burial record found both Shoreditch
Emma b 1847 nothing found so far
George b 1850 nothing found so far

This is all i have so far - hope it helps

Suznor

[Thamesite2017]

Hi Suznor
thanks for extra info gives more for people to possibly match

I was hoping that the childrens names may help us find a match here
but can't spot anything yet
a few more eyes may do 

Wish we could find family in 1861 would help to get a timeframe and whether possily some of the family came with John.
Some good rchatters maybe able to hunt them down, fingers crossed

Bye
Althea

[Suznor]

Hi Althea,

I will certain follow up on the children's where about in the censuses  and hopefully something more with appear.

Thanks for your help on this.

Hopefully speak again


Bye
Suznor