James KANNANE - South Australia

[Rochdalian]

Hi Kris

We had a look at the passenger list for the OMEGA and found Jane Roach and her brothers thanks.  The brothers were James, Thomas & Patrick - I couldn't see where you got two Thomases?

And with Ellen Gertrude dying unmarried thanks for confirming that, we thought it was the case

Now then the Hallidays, we have an Eliza Halliday who arrived with her husband Job Baker in 1838 per EDEN, they came from Stroud, Gloucestershire.  Just wondering if a brother of Eliza also came out to SA.  Noticed on Barry Leadbeater's passenger lists that a number of Hallidays came out and one that caught the eye was a Debney family which included a J Halliday.  Now a James Halliday married a daughter of this family Hepzabah Debney.  Reason we are trying to connect is that Eleanor Johnstone (Halliday) claimed to be a relation of James Kannane. 

Is it possible to trace back from Eleanor's father, James Halliday, to see if there is a connection?

We are just fishing here and even if Eleanor turns out to be descended from a brother of Eliza then the relationship is very tenuous eh!  Perhaps it was another kind of relationship

Thanks SASHAR for your info also.  It throws up a question, you list four female children to Patrick Kinnane & Jane Roach but only two show up on the list that MERLIN sent.  Is it just that BISA has it wrong do you think?

Thanks

Helen & Bob



 

[krisesjoint]

Hi Helen and Bob,

We are just fishing here and even if Eleanor turns out to be descended from a brother of Eliza then the relationship is very tenuous eh!  Perhaps it was another kind of relationship Wink

was wondering the same thing myself. Often women could not get answers if they were not related.

Eleanor Bertha HALLIDAY was born 26 Apr 1880 at Marden Dist Ade 240 1 parents James HALLIDAY and Sarah Ann CASTLE

HALLIDAY James 33 Widow father James HALLIDAY = CASTLE Sarah Jane 20 single father William CASTLE 12 Dec 1878 Res of brides father Crafers Dist Ade 117/959

Children Frederick Castle, Lillian Adelaide Elis, Beatrice Louise, Elise Maude, Ruby Amelia, Olive Amelia, Mabel Ellis Squires, Ruby Ethel Maude, Leonard Stanley

possible first marriage (although nothing further visible (births/death)

HALLIDAY James 28 singe father James HALLIDAY = SHIPTON Louisa 24 single father George SHIPTON 1 Oct 1874 Trinity Church Adelaide Dist Ade 101/17

I see James and Hepzabar had a son Albert James in 1846 but this isn't him. I don't see a birth for James

The second Thomas had arrived with John who died in 1864. (arrived 1857 aboard DAVID McIVER Seemed a likely for the father unless this Thomas returned to UK and came back with rest of family.

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

BISA

HALLIDAY James parents Jas and Esther nee SQUIRES born 1843 arrived 1856 aboard the HOOGHLY occupation Gardener residence Cheltenham
married 1. 1 Oct 1874 Adelaide SA Louisa nee SHIPTON parents Gee and Mary nee WILLIAMS born Horsely Gloucs
married 2. Sarah nee CASTLE
ch Eleanor Bertha 1880, Fredk Castle 1881-1952, Beatrice who died 1956, Ruby, Olive Amelia 1889-1982, Mabel Ellis Squires 1890-1919

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/hooghly1856.htm

Cheers Kris 

[Rochdalian]

Hi Kris

Seems the Halliday connection may be a dead duck for now eh, but thanks anyway.

So, with the Roach family I suppose it is possible that the family that arrived per David McIvor were the parents and siblings of Jane & her three brothers per Omega, except for the Thomas conundrum.  Just did a little googling and it appears that ROACH was a fairly common name in Clare.  Taking into account the Thomas problem there is the possiblility that John & Mary where not the parents of Jane and the boys but uncle and aunt - no, just remembered that Jane, at her wedding, says that John Roach is her father-drat! 

What do you think?

Helen & Bob

[Rochdalian]

Hi

Been mulling over this Roach family with two Thomas' and decided to search Trove for the passenger lists in the SA papers.  In respect to the 'David McIver' on which John & Mary plus two kids Thomas & Joanna arrived in 1859, according to the Ships List.  I can find no mention of a Thomas Roach in either of the SA papers of the day.

The SA Register of 29/11/1859 lists John & Mary Roach then a few lines further down has  Johanna Roache.

In the SA Advertiser of 29/11/1859 it lists John & Mary Roach then two lines further has Joanna. Roach.

Neither paper lists in family, single men, single women order.

I am not suggesting that either list is at fault I am just a little confused.  Mind you it would make much more sense if there was only one Thomas travelling ie. Jane and three older brothers came out first and sent for mum and dad and little sister. 

I would like comment please if anyone feels like it

Cheers

Bob & Helen   

[krisesjoint]

Hi Bob and Helen,

State Archives list Thomas on both voyages. I have it on my list to check when next at the library. Unfortunately the information on The Ships List is probably all there is but I will take a look at the original manifests.

Cheers Kris 

[Rochdalian]

Thank you so much Kris

Cheers

Bob & Helen

[krisesjoint]

Hi Bob and Helen,

Nothing of further interest in the passenger lists I am afraid. There is a Thomas listed on both voyages. All were from Clare

They do appear to be family groups in both instances - One List has

Thomas from Clare Farm Servany
Mary and John bracketed Wife and Lab
Johanna 16 Dom Serv

Cheers Kris 

[Rochdalian]

Hi Kris

Thanks for looking, it appears this may be one of those unsolved mysteries that we all come across from time to time.   

Cheers
Bob & Helen