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Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« on: Saturday 22 January 11 14:19 GMT (UK) »
The above named guy was married to my relative Selina BINDING in 1916, but prior to that led an interesting life travelling the world. 

In 1896 he was in British Columbia, Canada, but the next sighting of what seems to be him is in 1903, when a Bertha Agnes Palmer divorced a man of that name in San Francisco (see thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=508104.new;topicseen#new)

Can any kind person check to see if they can spot him in the USA please? I'm looking between 1896 and 1911 specifically. He was an actor and singer, was sometimes described as having his own theatre company, and may have used the name as above, or hyphenated  as "Spry-Palmer". I would particularly be delighted if anyone could find the marriage with Bertha Agnes, as any further information about that would help confirm (or deny) if this is our man.

Many thanks, Marion
England:
BABER/BEAVER, Bristol;  
BINDING, Somerset 
BURRELL, Enfield/Tottenham
CARNEY, Bristol;  
CARTER, Nottingham; 
CATER, Gloucestershire; 
EMMETT, West Wilts & Bristol; 
GARNETT, Harwich; 
JOY, Norwich; 
MOSS, Bristol; 
THOMPSON, Harwich; 
THORN, Norwich;


Wales:
THOMAS, Thomas, born 1819 Llangyfelach, GLA
DAVIES, Daniel, b abt 1791 Llannon, CMN
DAVIES, Nathaniel, b abt 1798 Manordeifi, PEM
EDWARDS, Edward, b abt 1780 Llandeilo

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Re: Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 January 11 18:33 GMT (UK) »
The 1900 & 1910 Census are available for free at www.familysearch.org.

You can find a number of San Francisco directories here:  http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfdata.htm#sfdirs

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Re: Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 January 11 18:38 GMT (UK) »
found this listed in a googlebook

Catalogue of Copyright Entries

Part 3  Musical Compositions
1919
New Series, Volume 14, No. 1

Washington
Government Printing Office



FOR FREEDOM AND HUMANITY; words by J Spry-Palmer, music by Newton Ponsonby (of Great Britain); mixed voices [12486

Copyright June 23, 1919; 1 c June 27, 1919; E 447333; James
Spry-Palmer, London

the Copyright sign followed by 1 c means that it is a copyright of an unpublished work and the date is the date it was received in the Copyright Office

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Re: Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 January 11 19:11 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Shellyesq for the suggestions. I will certainly follow up on them. I have a feeling he didn't stay in one place long enough to appear in a directory, but it's certainly worth looking.

and thank you Genealiza for the copyright sighting. I have an original piece of his music, not this title but I think from about the same era. Do you think the Washington Office reference means that he was in the USA at the time?

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England:
BABER/BEAVER, Bristol;  
BINDING, Somerset 
BURRELL, Enfield/Tottenham
CARNEY, Bristol;  
CARTER, Nottingham; 
CATER, Gloucestershire; 
EMMETT, West Wilts & Bristol; 
GARNETT, Harwich; 
JOY, Norwich; 
MOSS, Bristol; 
THOMPSON, Harwich; 
THORN, Norwich;


Wales:
THOMAS, Thomas, born 1819 Llangyfelach, GLA
DAVIES, Daniel, b abt 1791 Llannon, CMN
DAVIES, Nathaniel, b abt 1798 Manordeifi, PEM
EDWARDS, Edward, b abt 1780 Llandeilo


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Re: Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 January 11 19:20 GMT (UK) »
It states his address as London.  I think he just copyrighted it here, incase someone wanted to publish it.  It may have been sent to the Copyright Office via the postal service along with any money that was needed to have it copyrighted.

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Re: Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 January 11 19:31 GMT (UK) »
It states his address as London.  I think he just copyrighted it here, incase someone wanted to publish it.  It may have been sent to the Copyright Office via the postal service along with any money that was needed to have it copyrighted.

Thats very helpful. I know he was in London in 1916 and died there in 1924, and he made several visits to Bristol during that time, so it would be unexpected for him to be in the USA (but not entirely out of character!)

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England:
BABER/BEAVER, Bristol;  
BINDING, Somerset 
BURRELL, Enfield/Tottenham
CARNEY, Bristol;  
CARTER, Nottingham; 
CATER, Gloucestershire; 
EMMETT, West Wilts & Bristol; 
GARNETT, Harwich; 
JOY, Norwich; 
MOSS, Bristol; 
THOMPSON, Harwich; 
THORN, Norwich;


Wales:
THOMAS, Thomas, born 1819 Llangyfelach, GLA
DAVIES, Daniel, b abt 1791 Llannon, CMN
DAVIES, Nathaniel, b abt 1798 Manordeifi, PEM
EDWARDS, Edward, b abt 1780 Llandeilo

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Re: Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 January 11 10:05 GMT (UK) »
I have another possible sighting, and I wonder if anyone who has a US subscription could tell me the date of the marriage between Charles S Palmer and Bertha Tast in Barton, Missouri, please? It would be in the time frame of 1896-1903 I believe, but my subscription doesnt' cover those records.

Many thanks Marion
England:
BABER/BEAVER, Bristol;  
BINDING, Somerset 
BURRELL, Enfield/Tottenham
CARNEY, Bristol;  
CARTER, Nottingham; 
CATER, Gloucestershire; 
EMMETT, West Wilts & Bristol; 
GARNETT, Harwich; 
JOY, Norwich; 
MOSS, Bristol; 
THOMPSON, Harwich; 
THORN, Norwich;


Wales:
THOMAS, Thomas, born 1819 Llangyfelach, GLA
DAVIES, Daniel, b abt 1791 Llannon, CMN
DAVIES, Nathaniel, b abt 1798 Manordeifi, PEM
EDWARDS, Edward, b abt 1780 Llandeilo

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Re: Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 January 11 11:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello Marion,

Its very faint and difficult to read -
Charles S Palmer  - Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1896  - Liberal, Barton, MO
Spouse Name: Mrs. Bertha Tast

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Re: Charles James Spry Palmer, b 1857 England
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 January 11 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much Sandra. If this is the same guy, he certainly got around!!

Marion
England:
BABER/BEAVER, Bristol;  
BINDING, Somerset 
BURRELL, Enfield/Tottenham
CARNEY, Bristol;  
CARTER, Nottingham; 
CATER, Gloucestershire; 
EMMETT, West Wilts & Bristol; 
GARNETT, Harwich; 
JOY, Norwich; 
MOSS, Bristol; 
THOMPSON, Harwich; 
THORN, Norwich;


Wales:
THOMAS, Thomas, born 1819 Llangyfelach, GLA
DAVIES, Daniel, b abt 1791 Llannon, CMN
DAVIES, Nathaniel, b abt 1798 Manordeifi, PEM
EDWARDS, Edward, b abt 1780 Llandeilo