william allen

[Dizzifish]

Hi Trish....

It is a bit of a puzzle.... would be grateful if someone could confirm my 1901 and 1911 findings......but I don't think I have made a whopper.

It would also explain why we can't pin a birth registration for him in Basford reg or Nottinghamshire?

Plus it seems the Allen family only appeared in Skeffington after 1861......except that father is John....although his son William had a brother Joseph.

Lots more picking apart to do to get to the bottom of it...

Sheila.

[trish1120]

Hi Sheila,
Yes in 1901 you are correct, born c 1870, Leics.

Re the one I found;
1891 that one seems to be born 1871 Oakham, Rutland in living in Greasley, Notts.
Place of Birth is dittoed from person above so may be incorrect.
1871 seems to be George W Allen (indexed as Wallen) born c 1870, Wellam, Notts, living in Gamston, Notts with Joseph/Eliza
RG10/3454/83/3
RG12/2661/5/3

What do you think Sheila.?
Family seemed to move around a lot.

[Pels.]

As for me    I'm so pleased I was called away before I typed out all that for nothing ! I know the trees on Ancestry quite often count for nothing, but I've just had a quick peek and someone on there appears to agree with your findings Sheila and Trish !! Good one, hopefully 'lady penelope' should be chuffed with this !!   

Pels.

[Dizzifish]

Hi Pels.....

I did have a quick look on Ancestry trees but the one I looked at also had the father as Joseph....it seems they haven't any other details? and like you say the trees aren't always accurate.

Sheila.

[Pels.]

Hi Sheila,
Yes in 1901 you are correct, born c 1870, Leics.

Re the one I found;
1891 that one seems to be born 1871 Oakham, Rutland in living in Greasley, Notts.
Place of Birth is dittoed from person above so may be incorrect.
1871 seems to be George W Allen (indexed as Wallen) born c 1870, Wellam, Notts, living in Gamston, Notts with Joseph/Eliza
RG10/3454/83/3
RG12/2661/5/3

What do you think Sheila.?
Family seemed to move around a lot.

It was with regards to this one Sheila - Trish followed on from your reply 

Pels.

[lady penelope]

hi everybody,
                    thankyou for all the info. it's very helpful to my search for the elusive william. could you  please send the details as i have no access to the census returns as yet
                                many thanks to all
                                              lady penelope

[Dizzifish]

Oooh I had just typed this up before I realised you had posted.......hope it is ok?

It seems to me that none of us are sure which William it could be when trying to trace him going backwards.

With his father's name given as Joseph you would think that would help but the ones on offer so far I am not so sure about.

Still a lot of questions.... I wonder if Joseph was his father's name....maybe that's only what he thought it was? surprising if he didn't but I have heard that sort of thing has happened.

What were the witnesses on the marriage entry for William & Alice....would that give any other clues?

Until anyone can up with anything else I think he belongs to the Skeffington, Leicestershire Allen family.

1861 - No Allen's in Skeffington

1871 - RG10/3228/16/page9 - Skeffington, Leicestershire
Parents - John & Mary Anne Allen
Children all born Skeffington =
James 8, Emma 6, Charles 4, Thomas 3 and WILLIAM aged 1

1881 - RG11/3123/67/page 8 - Tilton, Leicstershire.
John Allen, head, aged 51, Shepherd, born Mowsley, Leicestershire.
James 19, Emma 16, Thomas 13, WILLIAM 11, Joseph 9,George 7,Alfred 5 - all these born Skeffington
Mary Ann Allen aged 3, daughter - born Tilton Wood, Leicestershire.

Other things I have found for the Skeffington Allen family are;

Burial at Skeffington
Joseph Allen - 13th January 1871 - aged 11 years

Burials at Tilton on the Hill
Mary Anne Allen - 15th April 1879 - aged 43
John Allen - 8th May 1884 - aged 54

It seems when the parents died the family dispersed in various places, in 1891 George is still in Leicestershire, Joseph is in Plumtree, Nottinghamshire.

1901 - Thomas is in Connisborough, Alfred is in Ilkeston, Derbyshire and James is in Cottesbrooke, Northamptonshire.

If only this family had Joseph as the father I would be convinced it was  the correct family........

[lady penelope]

hi dizzifish and others,
                thanks for info. the dates and names i have are of the same.so i hope this is the william i have been looking for will do some more digging and will let you know my findings
                                            many many thanks
                                                                 lady penelope

[Pels.]

Oh heck, I thought Trish had the right family - the father's name was Joseph.

Hi Sheila,
Yes in 1901 you are correct, born c 1870, Leics.

Re the one I found;
1891 that one seems to be born 1871 Oakham, Rutland in living in Greasley, Notts.
Place of Birth is dittoed from person above so may be incorrect.
1871 seems to be George W Allen (indexed as Wallen) born c 1870, Wellam, Notts, living in Gamston, Notts with Joseph/Eliza
RG10/3454/83/3
RG12/2661/5/3

What do you think Sheila.?
Family seemed to move around a lot.

1871 census:
RG10/3454, Folio 83, Page 3

Nottinghamshire, Gamston
Side House

Joseph Allen, h. mar, 33, Farm Labourer, b. Lincoln, Deeping
Eliza Allen, wife, 27, b. Lincoln, St James
Kate Allen, dau, 7, Scholar, b. Lincoln, Spalding
Elizabeth  Allen, dau, 3, b. Middlesex, London
George W Allen, son, 1, b. Notts, Wellam

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   
1881 census :
RG11/3303, Folio 7, Page 10

Nottinghamshire, Babworth

Joseph Allen, h, mar, 46, Ag Lab, b. Lincs, James Deeping
Eliza, wife mar, 37, b. Huntingdon, Sawtry
Kate, dau, unm, 18, General Servant, b. Lincs, Spalding
Elizabeth, dau, 14, Scholar, b. London
William, son, 12, b. Notts, Welham
Agnes, dau, 8, b. Notts, Gamston

Added : Sorry Trish, I reposted the 1881 to put together that and the 1871, I'm getting so confused by all this I missed you'd already posted it.


Pels.