Hello Derek, thanks for replying, after five years of chasing the Stroud Webbs I have discovered that I am looking at the WRONG family, to say I am devastated is an understatement and it was down to the fact that my Charles from Kidderminster married a Stroud woman ....he was born in the same year as the Stroud Charles and both had a James as a father born in the same year!!!!!!! Disaster. I am now in pursuit of the Kidderminster Webbs.