John PHILPS & Cath. TURNER Ham by Kingston marriage

[manokent]

Jemima Phillips married William Digweed 20 May 1819 Froxfield. He died in 1855 and Jemima married John Burnett in Petersfield 1856.
The Digweeds had seven children and after John Burnett died Jemima lived (and died) in Midhurst with daughter Caroline Henrietta Elliot neé Digweed.

William Digweed's father was Thomas Digweed, Froxfield 1761 to 8.2.1838 married Olive Budd  in Colmore 3.11.1836.

1841 census Steep:
John Burnett 51
Jemima Burnett 60 ( was Digweed neé Phillips)
Solomon Burnett 27 son
Elizabeth Burnett 27 daughter
Caroline Digweed 20 stepdaughter
Jemima Digweed  5 niece Chatham Kent (gt grandmother)(daughter of Christopher Digweed & Eleanor Selves who were in the Crimea at that time.

[Janet Mc]

I have now discovered where JP came from and that the previously listed possible parents are nothing to do with the family.

His family were these:
John PHILP (1772-1837) of Sheet  and Jemima WALBRIDGE of Sheet ( 1770-1847) were married 24 Jun 1798 in Petersfield, Hampshire. Witnesses John Caplin (? a cousin or uncle?) and Hannah Saunders (JW's sister)

Their children all christened in St Peter's, Petersfield, Hampshire:
1) Jemima 5 April 1801 prob. Married William Digweed, 20 May 1819 in Froxfield, Hampshire. They had 9 children in area.
2) John chr. 17 Feb 1805
3) Henry 19 Jan/June 1808, probably married Hannah Elizabeth WALKER 7 Dec 1835 in Bermondsey.
4) Jane of 2 June 1811, married Samuel Joshua Chapman RETTER on 1 Jan 1826 in Cheam, Surrey and migrated with John on “William Betinck”, 1841 to NZ died in Wellington, 22 March 1900
5) Martha 29 August 1815, married James DABB on 26 Oct 1834 in Morden, Surrey. Died 1897 Blue House Cottages, Merton Road Mitcham Surrey and James in 1899.
6) George 6 Nov 1818 , married Lydia Dabbs 11 Oct 1840 in Merton, Surrey and they had a son, John chr. 4 July 1841 in Malden. Lydia died in 2nd Q 1843 (aged 23) and looks like George remarried a Harriet Avery (George Phelp Married Harriet Avery 1st Q 1848 Kingston
Harriet Avery c 21/10/1827 Morden parents William Avery & Sarah Hore Married 23/1/1824 Newington Surrey), because in the 1861 censes they're living at Cheam with 4 children. This censes suggests that he was born at Malden and it seems that they probably did move there before 1818 because they talk about 'growing up in Malden'.
George died in the Croydon area of Surrey in 1st Q, 1880 (aged 62) and his wife in 4th Q, 1889 (also 62).
John Philps senior is listed as living in Sheet for Jane, Martha and Georges births and a 'labourer'

This was found out because he was one of the "7 servants of Ham House" (Tollemarche family) who were sent to NZ from an estate in Ham, Surrey. 9 letters for this group were published in the NZ newspapers and they revealed that two of the others in the group were his sister and brother-in-law. The letters gave us several siblings and his mother's name and then it was relatively easy.

JP senior and Jemima buried in Surrey
John PHILP born c. 1772 and buried 14 May 1837 in St John the Baptist, Old Malden

Jemima Walbridge born 2 June 1770 (chr 4 July) and buried on 24 Sept 1847 in St John the Baptist, Old Malden
 
Would love to know if anything more on the registry and whether there are headstones.

[Janet Mc]

I have now found no proof that John Philp's wife's maiden name was 'Turner'. Have no idea where this idea has come from.

I wonder if any of the children's baptism records have any witnesses or any mother's maiden name listed?

I have just ordered son, "Henry's death certificate from NZ 1908 - and hope that it will have the mother's maiden name on it.

[Janet Mc]

I have finally confirmed from two of her children's death certificates in NZ that Catherine's surname was indeed Turner. Still no sign of a marriage c 1825 in Surrey area for her with John PHILP/PHILPS/PHILLIPS ...maybe they didn't have a church wedding.

If this Catherine is the one born 1799 in Hanworth, Middx then she might have had an illegitimate son, George, christened there in 1821. I don't know whether she was then banned from a church wedding.

How do I find civil licensed marriages?
Thanks for any help

[tweedie]

Hi Janet,

You have helped with my brick wall with your finding on the Tollemachs and Ham House.

One of the single men sent to Wellington, New Zealand with the married families was Charles Stent a farm labourer aged 20yrs. I have been looking for his birth place in Surrey for many years. His death certificate has no parents or birth place.  What is the distance from Ham House & Fittleworth, as there are Stents living in the area. A Crest was at a Family reunion in 1982 had the name Fittleworth  mentioned on it.
Any help would be very much appreciated.

Cheers
Barbara

[Janet Mc]

I recently met someone who lived near Ham House and she talked of going to ask there if they had any records from the 1830's.

Is there anyone else near there?

I am looking for any Turners that worked at Ham House or estate?

Especially for Catherine Turner (maybe she was there before her marriage in c 1825 and maybe that's how she and John PHILPS met.

He might have been a labourer or brick maker on the estate. So would love to know of any others with the PHILPS/Philips surname working there from about 1815-1841.

Thanks is advance. Every now and then I am lucky and someone out there knows something