John PHILPS & Cath. TURNER Ham by Kingston marriage

[Janet Mc]

This couple were supposedly married in "Ham by Kingston" in 1826. I would love a date and any of the details on the marriage registry. I have never been able to find out any details of Catherine's birth time or place or anything about her family. Am hoping for clues so that I can progress with her ancestors.

What church would it be?
I believe their son , Henry was chr. on 14 Oct, 1827 in Kingston. There might be more details about the family on his chr. record. Which church was this in?

Any help excitedly received.

[Valda]

Hi

Both Henry and his sister were baptised at Kingston upon Thames parish church which was All Saints


HENRY PHILLIPS 
Christening:  14 OCT 1827   Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey
Father:  JOHN PHILLIPS   
Mother:  CATHERINE 

EMMA PHILP
Christening:  29 APR 1832   Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey
Father:  JOHN PHILP   
Mother:  CATHERINE 

The parish registers are deposited at Surrey History Centre and would contain a brief address (it may just say Kingston or perhaps Ham) and the father's occupation

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bdy/

The parish church of Ham - St Andrews was founded in 1832 which is when registers begin. Before that Ham would be part of the parish of Kingston. The entry on the IGI (Family Search is a submitted entry from a Mormon church member not taken from an actual register). They appear to be guessing where the marriage took place - another similar entry suggests Richmond and probably also guessing the date - a year before Henry's baptism.

http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/GetRecord/SHCOL_2337

In fact the couple could have come from anywhere and married outside of Surrey. Do you know either of their ages because that would help in narrowing down a marriage date for them.


Regards

Valda

[Janet Mc]

As far as I know John PHILPS parents were Richard and Sarah (Williams) PHILPS of Haslemere and Mitcham SURREY. However, from what I have found they were married at Christchurch, Spitalfields, Stepney on 24 May 1795.

I just realized I haven't found their other children. One was William 1817. Henry likely born c. 1807.

John and Catherine had at least two other children in the area and so that means:
Henry -chr. 14 Oct, 1827
Frances 1829
Emma 1832
Jacob 1834 (Richmond)

[Valda]

Hi

Jacob's baptism appears to be at Ham as the church was open by then, baptised 9th November 1834. You can request a look up for this baptism
see the Look up offers board

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383021.0.html



24th May 1795 Christ Church, Spitalfields Middlesex
Richard Philps
Sarah Williams
Bachelor and spinster of the parish
Married by banns
Both signed
Witnesses
James Philips made his mark and George Arhlon?

Spitalfields is an area to the east of the City of London what we would now call the east end and across the river Thames from Ham further upstream. Haslemere is south Surrey nearly Sussex about 35 miles to the south of Ham and Mitcham is nearer, but not close to the Thames, on the east side of Surrey. None of these places are adjacent.

Where did Richard and Sarah have their children?


Regards

Valda

[jannic]

There are two baptisms for this couple at Ham, St Andrew.

No. 74.
9th November 1834 - Jacob born 16th October - son of John & Catharine PHILLIPS - Ham St - Labourer

No. 196
12th August 1838 - John William born 9th July - son of John & Catharine PHILLIPS - Ham - Labourer

Later in the register there is a James & Jane PHILLIPS who baptise two children 1859 & 1865

All the best
Jan

[Janet Mc]

That's helpful. I'm beginning to wonder if Catherine's surname really was Turner. Was there a John Philps (often recorded as Phillips) marrying a Catherine in Kingston/Richmond and Surrey about 1825 +/- 2 years??? There weren't any older children on board ship with them when they left London in 1840. Young John William died on board I think.

[Janet Mc]

Still hoping to find a wedding for John PHILPS and Catherine ?TURNER about 1826. Believed to be at Ham or Kingston area. As this is where at least 4 of their children were christened - we haven't found a chr. for Fanny who was born c. 1829.

The other births I'd like to know about would be siblings for John. He was born about 1803-7 likely somewhere in Surrey. We think his parents were Richard PHILPS and Sarah Williams of Haslemere, Surrey, but this may be wrong.

Any help gratefully received.

[Valda]

Hi


Where do you have the evidence that Catherine's surname was Turner from?


Baptism 18th October 1829 Twickenham Middlesex
Frances Phillips parents John and Catherine, father's occupation labourer


Regards

Valda

[Janet Mc]

Yes, that is almost certainly the right family -Frances Oct 1829.

I don't know why I've got the name of her mother as 'catherine turner'. Let's assume it could be wrong. So -we're looking for a John PHILPS (maybe spelt Phillips) and a Catherine X married almost certainly c. 1826 (first child is born 1827). The family 'history' is that they were married about Kingston -on -Thames.

The whole family migrated in 1841 to NZ -just before the 1841 census.
Thanks for any help.