Different mother's names on marriage certificates

[scully]

Hi Gill87,
Just a quick message Before i sort out the names of James  children.On family searh there is a child called Ann for John & Bridget & i found her death on Sp for the same  year she was born 1872. I noticed you had not got her down on your list, do you have the information.

Scully

[Gill87]

No, I haven't heard of an Anne. I will do the search now. Thanks Scully.

[scully]

Hi Gill87,
Ann died 13/9/1872,  5 days old, George St, Informant Mary McShane, aunt. Could,nt make  out what she died of. 
Also theres a Thomas died 18/5/1879, 10months old, died from Infantile Diarrhea 14 days. Found these while i checking the names of mine and found the death of twins for my Thomas in 1876.
 
James & Margaret Had the following children
Thomas  born Ire 1845,        d 13/3/1924
Mary       b, 1848, Ayr,           d, 14/6/1874
Elizabeth  b, 1850, Ayr,         d, 8/1/1901
James b, 30/9/1851, Ayr
Janet b, 1852, Ayr,
William b, 24/2/1854, Ayr
William b, 11/8/1855, Cross st,                     d, 27/3/1934
Margaret b, 1858, Cross st,                           d, 4/10/1860,  Cross st
John b, 4/10/1859, Cross st,                          d, 1/12/1860,  Cross st
Margaret b, 1/4/1861,  Wallace St                 d, 24/11/1870,  Wallace st
John  b, 15/2/1869, Wallace st,                      d, 25/9/1931, Ayr

Scully

[scully]

Hi Gill87,
I was looking at the 1881 Census and i noticed that William born in 11/8/1855 the brother of Thomas  was living at 79, Wallace St, Ayr, the same address as your John & Bridget.

Scully

[Gill87]

Hi Scully,

Regarding your previous message. I had noticed this. I kind of assumed that houses were split into parts as both William and John are listed as heads of household, but I don't know.

Have you seen the 1901 census? Your Thomas is married to Agnes and has his father James living with him. It states they were both born in Co Antrim, Ireland. Also living with Thomas is a boarder - Patrick Scullion aged 21. I believe this is John's son, Patrick. I have always been unable to locate my John Scullion on the 1901 census so have begun looking for his children. I have found Mary, my Great Grandmother, as a boarder with the Tait family in Elba St, now Patrick as a boarder with Thomas at 87 Wallace St.

Other people living with Thomas are a Maggie Scullion Balmer and her children Agnes and James. If you haven't already do so take a look at this census as it seems more of her children - a Thomas, Alice, William and George were living with a James Scullion - head of 79 Wallace St as they are listed as nieces and nephews.

Gill

[scully]

Hi Gill,
I do have those Census for 1891, I had,nt realized Patrick was on there. What was the names of the Taits, Do you have Patricks marriage or death. I noticed he was living at 88, York St, when he got married,   In 1911 my Aunt Elizabeth Scullion was born at that address while siblings before and after her were born at Green St Lane.

Scully

[Gill87]

Patrick Scullion was born in 1881 to John and Bridget. He married Barbara McMillan in 1903 and, as you say, was living at 88 York St at the time, as was Barbara. Barbara was an illigitimate child and shared the same surname as John's step son - Samuel McMillan, who was an illigitimate child to John's second wife Hannah. Presumably all part of the same family.

Patrick died in Kyle Union Poorhouse on 5th March 1906 from TB. Interestingly his parents are listed as James Scullion and Bridget McCheyne, however I'm presuming this was an error. The death was registered by James Henderson, Govenor (presumably of the poor house). Patrick's wife Barbara had died before him in 1905 at 88 York St Lane, Ayr, from TB. It was her widower Patrick that registered this death. It seems after she died he was admitted to the poorhouse however there are no records for him, I have already checked.

As for Mary Scullion, she was a border for the Taits - John and Mary Tait aged 26 and 25 respectively, their son, 2 year old James and another boarder - 17 year old Hannah McGee born in Ayr. Both boarders worked as Wool Spinners and they all lived at 70 Elba St. Also for that address is listed the Jess family - William and Sarah Jess aged 47 and 48 respectively and their three children - Margaret, 15, William, 15 and James 12.

A search on Scotlands People reveals that the wife Mary Tait was the daughter of William and Sarah Jess explaining why they were all living in number 70 Elba Street. Mary Jess and John Tait married in 1896, both were living at 27 Cross St at the  time.

Do any of these names mean anything to you?

[Gill87]

Just to add Scully,

When John remarried following Bridget's death. He and Hannah had three children:

Catherine Scullion, Elizabeth Scullion and Thomas Scullion. All of them died in childhood:

Catherine died at 110 George St on 23rd June 1986 aged 2 from Whooping Cough
Elizabeth died at 87 George St on 11th May 1897 aged 6 1/2 from TB
Thomas died at 110 Cross St on 17th June 1896 aged 15 months from Whooping Cough
On the birth cert Thomas's full name was Thomas Helena Docherty Scullion. No idea where the Docherty came from but I think Helena might have been after John's mum.

I also noticed John, a son of James and Margaret, registered the death of a premature birth with his wife Jane Dillon. There is also the birth in 1892 of a Margaret Brown Scullion to John and Jane before they were married presumably as she's listed as illigitimate. Born March 28th 1892 at 69 Mill St.

I hope you don't mind me asking but where are you based? Scotland?

[scully]

Hi Gill,
I leave in West Bromwich, West Midlands. Its my mom,s line of the family tree i,m following. i still have a lot of relatives living in Ayr. my grandad John Scullion Young had 17 children, he married twice. my mom comes from the first marriage her mom died when she was 6 months old. Grandad had his first child in 1907 and last child in 1944. Are you based in Scotland.

Scully