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[Whitemill]

Hello all. I am in need of some help and guidance in the search for my Grandmothers family. Her name was Elizabeth Manders b 1865 d 1940. She was the daughter of Mary Manders (Nee Warner) who was the daughter of William Warner of Bantry. William owned creameries in Killarney, Enniskeane and Ballinacarrigathe and in partnership with his son-in-law James Manders (Mary's husband) he started a factory in about 1880 at William Street in Bantry for the processing of butter for the export market.
James and Mary had eight children that survived into adulthood. 2 boys and 6 girls. 3 of the girls never married. I have been unable to trace what happened to one, Lillian b1891. One was, I believe my Grandmother, Elizabeth. The last Margaret b1895 did marry and have two children a girl Margaret b1932 and a boy Gerald b 1928.  I have been unable to find what happened to them.
I am particularly interested in finding a living female relative who has descended from the same parents as Mary Warner down the female side. That can of course include any of the descendants of female siblings of Mary. Desperately hoping for your help. Whitemill

[swarner]

Dear Whitemill
I have not had my books out in a long time. I will get them out and see if there is anything in them that may help. I may be able to pass your message on to someone else to see if they have any info and will get back to you as soon as I can. I not been on rootschat for many years so this was a surprise.  It would be easier for me to correspond with you. There are questions I would like to ask you.
Shirley

[Whitemill]

I have sent my EMAIL. Thanks so much for your very speedy response to my request for help. Whitemill.

[Ruth Baker]

Re your message 9 February 2018

Really good to see your message!  Lilian Manders was my great aunt.  As you say, she never married and in her latter years lived with her niece, Dorothy, in Cork.  Auntie Lil passed away in 1973.  All of her siblings had died before I was born (1962) but I have lovely memories of Lil.

Some of the info I have is different to yours, but I'm aware of the connection to the creamery in Bantry.  Margaret Manders (1894-1957), one of Elizabeth's sisters, married Richard Baker and had two children, Robert Norman (b1926) and Dorothy Margaret (1932-2014). Robert (Bob) is my Dad and is still living.  He will be 96 in September.  Dorothy never married.

I wasn't aware that Elizabeth had any children.  Did she marry Maurice Joyce?  It would be great to get more info for the family tree.

William Manders (1883-1941) had a daughter Maureen who married George Webster.  Maureen has passed away but she has four children.

It would be great to hear from you though it's been a long time since your post.

Best wishes
Ruth

[sarah]

Hi Ruth, swarner was last online in 2020.

Regards

Sarah

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat 

Lilian Manders was my great aunt.  As you say, she never married and in her latter years lived with her niece, Dorothy, in Cork.  Auntie Lil passed away in 1973. 

Some information linked for others about Lilian-

Born 2nd April 1890 at Marius Marino Street, Bantry.   MMN Warner
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02424/1902822.pdf

1901 census with her parents and siblings.
House 62 in Knockrea (Blackrock, Cork).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Blackrock/Knockrea__in_2_separate_folders_/1116144/

1911 census
House 171 in Knockrea (Blackrock, Cork).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Blackrock/Knockrea/401632/

Knockrea townland
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/cork/st-nicholas/knockrea/

KG


Edited to add:
Marino Street, Bantry
https://arcg.is/1Kifvy

[Kiltaglassan]

Her name was Elizabeth Manders b 1865 d 1940. She was the daughter of Mary Manders (Nee Warner) who was the daughter of William Warner of Bantry.

Margaret Manders (1894-1957), one of Elizabeth's sisters, married Richard Baker...........

Elizabeth Manders was born in 1881.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02799/2027147.pdf

Margaret Manders was born in 1894.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02244/1844869.pdf

Margaret married Richard William Norman Baker in 1924 at St Nicholas Parish church, Cork. Lilian Manders was one of the witnesses.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09168/5315895.pdf

When Mary Manders (mother) died in 1940 at Weavers Point, Carrigaline the informant was her son-in-law (who signed as Norman Baker).    #185
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04728/4264080.pdf

...........with his son-in-law James Manders (Mary's husband) he started a factory in about 1880 at William Street in Bantry for the processing of butter for the export market.

James Manders died in 1912. His son William was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05347/4489510.pdf

KG

[Kiltaglassan]

I wasn't aware that Elizabeth had any children.  Did she marry Maurice Joyce?

Here's a marriage for an Elizabeth Manders to Maurice Joyce in 1928 at St Bartholomew's parish church, Kinneigh. Elizabeth living in Enniskeane. A sister? Mary, one of the witnesses. Elizabeth would have been approx 47 when she married.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1928/09078/5284107.pdf

[Kiltaglassan]

William Warner Manders married Mary Beatrice Robinson on 7th June 1924 at St Nicholas Parish church, Cork. One of the witnesses was his sister Esther Manders.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09163/5314069.pdf

He died at the age of 58 in 1941 and lived at The Laurels, Ballintemple, Cork.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04707/4256747.pdf

His widow, Mary Beaty Manders died aged 77 in 1967. She lived at The Laurels, Blackrock Road, Cork. Her daughter Maureen A Webster was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1967/04195/4070981.pdf