Athelstaneford ancestors

[novac]

My G Grandmother was Eupemia Jane Brown. In 1883 she married Thomas George Brodie b1857 IOM who was a butler in Craigforth House Stirling. Witnesses include Mr Robert Oliver Brodie who was listed as a Letter press printer of 59 Broughton Street Edinburgh also Ellenor Susan Brown of Renton Hall Farm Haddington. I would be very grateful if anyone has any information which might help in my ancestral research.

[MonicaL]

Hi Novac

What information do you already have on Euphemia and Thomas? Have you found them on the later censuses following their 1883 marriage? From their marriage cert which should include full details on their parents' names, have you been able to find them in the earlier censuses to see their extended family and their birth entries?

Monica 

Added: Just linking up to your other posts for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,506829.0.html and www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,507367.0.html

[sancti]

1881 census

Thomas G Brodie
Age: 26
Where born: Isle of Man, St Anns
Registration district: Kirkcaldy
Civil Parish: Abbotshall
County: Fife
Address: Raith House
Occupation: Butter (butler)

[MonicaL]

I think from one of the previous posts, that Isobelruss possible 1851 census entry is likely to be the correct one. From 1861 in Anglesey I.O.M., after Thomas' birth you have:

William Brodie 39, gardener b. Scotland
Agnes Brodie 39 b. Scotland
William Brodie 15 b. Arbory
Ann M Brodie 13 b. Santon
James Brodie 8 b. Santon
Thomas G Brodie 3 b. Santon
Robert O Brodie 4 Months b. Santon

On IGI at www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true possible birth entry for youngest Robert:

Robert Oliver Brodie, b. 26 Nov. 1860 and chr. 6 Jan. 1861 in Santon - Parents William Brodie and Agnes Oliver.

Likely the witness you have on Thomas and Euphemia's marriage entry you would think.

Monica

[sancti]

also 1881

Agnes Brodie 60 Head born: Hawick, Roxburghshire Occupation: Formerly Laundress
Robert O Brodie 20 son Occupation: Printer (Machineman) born: Man, Isle of

Address: 4 Murdoch Ter Edinburgh

[sancti]

1881 possible for Euphemia

George Brown 47 head  born: Airth, Stirlingshire occ Master Joiner
Euphemia Brown 21 daur  born: Airth, Stirlingshire occ teacher
James Brown 13
George Brown Jr. 10

Address High Street Airth Stirlingshire

[MonicaL]

Sancti, that possible census entry you found in 1881 for Thomas' mother looks good - there is a death showing on the pay to view site, Novac, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk in 1882 in Edinburgh for an Agnes Brodie/Oliver (born c. 1822). Scottish death certs include full names for parents of the deceased, if known to the informant.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Not sure on that 1881 entry for Euphemia, Sancti... Think her parents may have been a James Brown and a Margaret George.

At least 7 children show as born to this couple, all births in Athelstaneford, East Lothian. These include a Helen Susan Brown in 1853 (likely witness at the marriage in 1883) and Euphemia Jane Brown on 10 April 1858 (there is a Euphemia Margaret Brown showing as born in early 1857, likely died as a baby and name re-used).

Monica

[tidybooks]

Hi,

From the IGI as extracted records,

Thomas George Brodie born 28 Nov 1857 Santon, IOM to parents, William Brodie and Margaret Oliver.

Witness Robert Oliver Brodie born 26 Nov 1860 at Santon, IOM to parents, William Brodie and Agnes Oliver.

Is  this the same father marrying sister A, she dies then he marries sister B, or are records wrong?

Tom