New York Passenger List 1861 -1866

[Liz in France]

Hi,

Could some kind person please try to find a passenger entry on a ship from UK to New York probably around 1861 or a return journey around 1865/6.  I have identified a few G Gardiner's on Amcestry but do not have the type of subscription that allows me access to American records.

I am searching information on a GARDINER/GARDENER, either William or George. They were called Gardener pre 1851 ish and seem to change to Gardiner after, so either name may be used.

I have a photograph of an ancestor dressed in the uniform of a UNION soldier either a surgeon or in the Pay Corps  at the time of the American Civil War.  The photgraph was taken around 1861 at ANSON'S of Broadway, New York and was possibly taken soon after he arrived in America.  All this has been identified by other RootsChat members.

George was a well known Bristol Surgeon born 1819 and fully documented with census info but William born 1815  has been very elusive.  I have no information on him whatsoever, except his baptism and death dates from the family bible.

I am hoping someone can find the  arrival or departure of one of these two men so I can at least put a name to the man in the photograph.

Many thanks in advance.

Elizabeth

[aghadowey]

Early passenger lists for New York are at www.castlegarden.org but early manifests usually give little detail (name, age, occupation, country of origin).

[Liz in France]

Hi aghadowey,

Many thanks for the link.

Unfortunately, not an entry that could even be a possibility.

Elizabeth

[Lisa in California]

Link to your previous post:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,505608.0.html

I don't think this has been mentioned (on your previous post):  can you see any writing on the belt buckle?  Have you tried using a magnifying glass to see details on the photo?  I have a photo from c1901 and using a magnifying glass, I was able to identify two pins the women were wearing.

Have you tried to find either man on the 1860 American census?  Have you looked through Civil War records?

[Liz in France]

Hi Lisa,


Thank you for posting the link to my orignal post, it makes it  easier for others to follow the story.

I will scan the photo again tomorrow at a higher resolution in the hope I can see something more.

George was in UK  in March 1861 for the cencus but i couldn't find William.  I don' t have  accesss to us records.

I have a problem with keyboard, will finish tomorrow

elizabeth

[shellyesq]

In case it helps, you can find some US records for free here:  https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1&region=NORTH_AMERICA

This site gives links to what's available online for the Civil War, some of which is free:  http://www.militaryindexes.com/civilwar/index.html

[Liz in France]

Hi Shellyesq,

Thank you for listing the two sites.  I am working my way through all the different aspects of it but I think it is like looking for a needle in the proverbial haysatack.

I think it will  be something that I will have to keep coming back to as it is so easy to get bogged down in it all.

I think I need to prove that either William or George Gardiner actually left UK for America or else I could be working on something that never happened.

Thanks again for your interest.

Regards,
Elizabeth

[patticake]

Looking at 1860 US census.  Don't know if this is William.
William Gardner, age 45, laborer, appears to be single and living/boarding with the Young family in Springfield NY.  Wm born in England.

[Liz in France]

Hi Patticake,

Thank you for that information.  I really do not know if it is the right one or not as there are so many William Gardiners, Gardeners and Gardners, all spellings have been used.

I will keep the details on file just in case I can prove it out at a later date.

Many thanks for your interest.

Elizabeth