NSW - John SMITH married Ann DUMVILLE - Why that name!!

[alan_t]

Debra

I went on to Australia Births and Baptisms on familysearch.org to look up all the children born to a John Smith and Ann between 1836-1856 in NSW.  I have only included children born to parents with the exact names of John Smith and Ann, as neither of them had middle names.

There are 13 children with the surname SMITH.  Grouping them to places of birth and baptism (NB the first date is the birth date; the second date is the baptism date):

1) Place: All Saints Camden, NSW:
George Smith (10.02.1837 / 24.04.1837)

2) Place: St John, Parramatta, NSW:
Mary Virgo Smith (22.02.1839 / 31.03.1839)
Caroline Elizabeth Smith (30.03.1839 / 28.04.1839)
Sarah Smith (30.08.1840 / 06.09.1840)

3) Place: Queanbeyan, NSW:
Mary Ann Smith (06.06.1839 / 24.08.1839)
John Hunt Smith (17.05.1841 / 22.08.1841)

4) Place: Yass, NSW
Ann Smith (07.05.1841 / 08.03.1841)

5) Place: Vincent, Murray & Aukland Counties, NSW
Jane Smith (? / 12.02.1846)

6) Place: Bathurst, NSW
Lucy Smith (01.05.1853 / 10.07.1853)
Lucy Emma (20.03.1855 / 27.05.1855)

7) Place: Unknown, NSW
John Smith (27.04.1854 / 30.07.1854)

Place: Carcoas, NSW
William John Smith (08.02.1854 / 11.06.1854)

9) Place: St Andrews, Sydney, NSW
George Smith (16.02.1855 / 23.09.1855)

I hope this info helps.  I know that some older records here reveal the mother's maiden name on the birth records.  I'm hoping this is the same on the Australian ones.

Many thanks.
Alan

[Billyblue]

Hello Alan
Registration in NSW didn't start until 1856, so anything before that is from parish registers, and if only one date is given it will be baptism date.   Some clergy put the date of birth too, but not all did.
There are two in 1855 on your list that are not on the NSW BDM online = Lucy Emma and George.  Checked right up till 1866 and only one of each  was found - Lucy in 1853 and George in 1837.  Not to say the others did not happen, of course     Being parish registers it's likely some didn't make it to the govt. department recording them.

Mary Virgo Smith and Caroline Elizabeth Smith at St John's Parramatta are presumably from two different families, with births six weeks apart.

There are some on the NSW BDM online which aren't on your FamilySearch list, too.
If no-one else finds them, I'll have a look next time I go to our library but that may not be for a week or so.
Dawn M

[Dundee]

Hi Alan,

Some baptisms 1835-1855  Parents John SMITH and Ann* - New South Wales

V1836520 20/1836        SMITH  JOHN                  JOHN  ANNE           Parramatta 
V18371085 21/1837      SMITH  GEORGE             JOHN  ANN             Berrima/Bong Bong/Sutton Forest/All Saints (Co. Camden)
V1839651 23A/1839      SMITH  CAROLINE E       JOHN  ANN             Parramatta
V18391277 23A/1839    SMITH  MARY A               JOHN  ANN             Canberra/Lake George/Queanbeyan
V18391372 121A/1839  SMITH  MARY                  JOHN A  ANNE        Illawarra/Wollongong
V1839638 23A/1839      SMITH  MARY V               JOHN  ANN             Parramatta
V1840730 24A/1840      SMITH  SARAH                JOHN  ANN             Parramatta
V1840335 25A/1840      SMITH  JOHN G               JOHN W  ANNE C   Sydney
V18411685 25A/1841    SMITH  JOHN H               JOHN  ANN            Canberra/Lake George/Queanbeyan
V18411933 25A/1841    SMITH  FLORANCE AM     JOHN J  ANNE A     Merriwa/Muswellbrook/Paterson
V18412151 28/1841      SMITH  ANN                    JOHN  ANN             Gundaroo/Gunning/Yass
V18421968 47/1842      SMITH  JOHN                  JOHN  ANN             Parramatta
V18431481 27A/1843    SMITH  CHARLES F         JOHN  ANNE           Monaro/Manoroo/Monaroo
V18434526 47/1843      SMITH  JOHN                  JOHN  ANN             Sydney
V18441171 28/1844      SMITH  HANNAH             JOHN  ANNE           Parramatta
V1845915 48/1845        SMITH  JANE                  JOHN  ANN             Counties of St Vincent, Murray and Auckland (Itinerant)
V18451180 48/1845      SMITH  ROBERT             JOHN  ANNE           Sydney
V1845862 45A/1845      SMITH  ROBERT             JOHN  ANNE           Sydney
V18481406 34A/1848    SMITH  MARGARET S      JOHN  ANN             Canberra/Lake George/Queanbeyan
V18481917 33A/1848    SMITH  ALEXANDER       JOHN  ANN W         Gundaroo/Gunning/Yass
V18481701 33A/1848    SMITH  JANE S               JOHN  ANN             Montellorus/Wellington District
V18502193 37A/1850    SMITH  EMILY A             JOHN  ANN             Canberra/Lake George/Queanbeyan
V1852845 39A/1852      SMITH  JANE                  JOHN  ANN             Carcoar   
V18527188 45C/1852    SMITH  EMILY E             JOHN T  ANNE A     Sydney 
V18521645 51/1852      SMITH  EMILY E             JOHN I  ANNE A      Sydney
V1852844 39A/1852      SMITH  JANE                  JOHN  ANN             Carcoar  
V18533685 39A/1853    SMITH  LUCY                 JOHN  ANN              Abercrombie District/Bathurst
V18541226 40/1854      SMITH  JOHN                 JOHN  ANN             Montellorus/Wellington District
V18544389 40/1854      SMITH  WALTER E         JOHN T  ANN A        Ashfield/Balmain/Burwood/Concord
V18542217 71/1854      SMITH  PETER               JOHN  ANN              Sofala
V18543172 40/1854      SMITH  WILLIAM J         JOHN  ANN              Carcoar
V18544656 121B/1854  SMITH  ELIZABETH        JOHN  ANN              Albury
V18551545 42A/1855    SMITH  ANNE L              JOHN  ANNE            Pennant Hills

It is unlikely that a pre 1856 baptism will show the mother's surname unless the child is illegitimate, although I have seen it in some of the Catholic registers.

Debra