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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 25 January 11 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Somehow I don't think it was intended as an air-raid shelter, it appeared to be much older than the 1940's, and there didn't seem to be a proper access. I entered by sliding down a couple of feet  and dropping through a hole made by my father.
As to when he knocked it down I would guess sometime around 1947/8, possibly a little later. Do you recall the prisoner-of-war camp below the Bottom Row. I remember it being built and the first lot of prisoners-Italian. They seemed to come and go as they wished, worked on local farms and several made very good friends with local girls. After the Italians came the Germans and things changed dramatically. There were a lot more guards with fixed bayonets and the barbed wire was increased. Later came the DP's (displaced persons, mostly Poles, at least one stayed on to live in Chirk). The war had ended then of course and eventually the camp was emptied. My step-grandfather, Tom Turner (you may remember him) had left the pit and worked for the council. He looke after the empty camp and for some reason was given the job of demolishing Jummers Hole.
He was pretty useless at anything other than gardening and my father took on the job since the family was sure Tom would kill himself under a pile of rubble. So that is why I think it was a few years after the war ended.
There were shelters dug into the mount, accessed from the road opposite Ben the Barbers shop. They were never used as far as I know, too many folk were afraid that they would collapse, being cut into the relatively soft clinker.
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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 25 January 11 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Forgot to ask, "what, if anything can you see of Jummer's Hole" in the photo, and can you remind me who was Uncle Darrel? The name seems familiar.
Keith

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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #47 on: Friday 22 July 11 04:40 BST (UK) »
While you're there, Morgan has found out that your friend, who still lives in Chirk, thinks that the Jummer was what Chirk Green Farm was once called!

But I don't know where the Jummer in Jummer's Farm came from  :-\


JL

PS - I've found a Margery Jummer who got married in Somerset in 1635  ???
Forgot to ask, "what, if anything can you see of Jummer's Hole" in the photo, and can you remind me who was Uncle Darrel? The name seems familiar.
Keith
was really chuffed when i started reading this conversation as it my parents who now live in chirk green farm now and have done for the past 45 years after Kate and Garnett, it was chirk green farm that cled davies and his wife mary lived in and my parents was chirk green farm cottage which is now called emmadale. i think it was originally one building then split in two, i have just started to do history on the house, would love to find more info on it, im new on here btw :)

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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 23 February 12 11:45 GMT (UK) »
So Garnett lived in Chirk Green before taking on the small holding. Curious that he should have ended up in Chirk having been born in Kent. I've been to Eltham, looked pretty prosperous (and the Palace is well worth a visit.) and what was he doing in Scotland?
He was our village postman, hard of hearing, Sam Halman covered Chirk Bank, Gledrid and Oakland Road and thereabouts. Mrs Edmund Rowlands covered the Castle and all stops to the Kennels. I can't recall whose round took in Pontfaen & the Fisheries. The postmaster at the time was Raymond Jones who had taken over the new post office when it moved from, what later became the Baby Linen shop next to the co-op drapery. He emigrated with wife and daughter to Australia about 1955.
Keith

hi, was wondering if anyone still has photographs of this small holding which garnett lived in as its now my parents home and would love to see some old photographs of how it looked, thanks Donna
Forgot to ask, "what, if anything can you see of Jummer's Hole" in the photo, and can you remind me who was Uncle Darrel? The name seems familiar.
Keith


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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #49 on: Thursday 10 May 12 23:46 BST (UK) »
My ancestor Thomas James is listed in the censuses as living (1861) at the Gatehouse, Chirk as a Coke burner, in 1871 at Little Gate, Chirk, as a labourer (indecipherable) works, in 1881 at Tyrrawr or Little Gates (labourer at Lime Works) and in 1891 at 5 Wern Cottage, Vron Issa Chirk (labourer in brickyard).

I wonder if all these 'Little Gates' are the same residence and where they stood exactly. I've read that the famous Davies gates were moved to their present position in 1888 from New Hall on the NE boundary, and the half-timbered lodge seen today also dates from this time. But there's also a third smaller disused entrance "Bady's White Gate" in the South East. So I presume my Thomas lived with his family at either New Hall or the SE gate. The dismantling of the Gates in 1888 may correspond with Thomas moving to Vron Issa.

Does anyone know of lime works around there?
Oxfordshire: SHAYLER, HERN,
Gloucestershire: MEADOWS, HERBERT, HAYNES, TUSTIN,
Worcestershire: GRIFFIN, WOOD, BUTLER,
Denbighshire: WILLIAMS, JAMES, EDWARDS, DAVIES, JONES.

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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 10 May 12 23:47 BST (UK) »
Incidentally his wife was Margaret (nee Williams) and they had 9 recorded children.
Oxfordshire: SHAYLER, HERN,
Gloucestershire: MEADOWS, HERBERT, HAYNES, TUSTIN,
Worcestershire: GRIFFIN, WOOD, BUTLER,
Denbighshire: WILLIAMS, JAMES, EDWARDS, DAVIES, JONES.

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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #51 on: Friday 11 May 12 00:06 BST (UK) »
Hello  :)

There was Chirk Castle Lime Company at that time. There are some records at the Record Office for the 1862-82 period.

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Morgan

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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #52 on: Friday 11 May 12 14:01 BST (UK) »
Hi

For the 18 or so years that I lived in the area, there was the limekiln quarry on the A5 just before you got to Fron, itself. There was a sharp (and dangerous) bend and then the rails going across the road from the lime kiln quarry to the kilns on the other (canal) side .

A bit about it here:


http://www.rootschat.com/links/0mbg/


It's not far at all from Fron Issa!


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Re: Memories of Chirk
« Reply #53 on: Saturday 12 May 12 10:53 BST (UK) »
Wow, that is quite a bit about the Lime Kilns! Thank you Gnu, another resource I wasn't aware of!
Oxfordshire: SHAYLER, HERN,
Gloucestershire: MEADOWS, HERBERT, HAYNES, TUSTIN,
Worcestershire: GRIFFIN, WOOD, BUTLER,
Denbighshire: WILLIAMS, JAMES, EDWARDS, DAVIES, JONES.