Thanks again. I went on freereg. but there was no Stickney under Lincolnshire. I have a tree in Ancestry .co .uk. and I have John married to Mary Melson. I also have a son called John Thornalley Sands. Do you think that could be an illegitimate child, as John Thornalley did not sign his marriage certificate when he married Elizabeth Ingamells, yet when he remarried after Eliz died he signed the second marriage cert. wimpsy