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Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« on: Tuesday 11 January 11 01:38 GMT (UK) »
Hello
What can you tell me about Brewhouse Hill if anything?  My greatX2 grandmother Louisa Jarman lived at 9 Brewhouse Hill with her mother father and brothers and sisters. The family were e mployed. Most people listed on Brewhouse Hill (many addresses) were employed.
Thanks so much!

catherine Uffen

"1851 finds Mary as a pauper living in King St - Brewhouse hill aged 73"

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Re: Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 06:59 GMT (UK) »
My great great grandmother Louisa Jarman and her mother, father and siblings are listed on the 1851 Census as living at  Brewhouse Hill. Brewhouse is written and "Hill" is written above that, for each family group- who are separately enumerated. The census goes from 1 to 6 King Street, then lists several different families living on Brewhouse Hill (including the Cobbs but not the 23 King Street Cobbs) and then the census goes on with 7 King Street etc.

Can anybody provide any explanation of Brewhouse Hill? The land there I think rises to Cobb's Brewery - and there was a Cobbs Lane and a Cobb's square

I'm thinking that maybe there were flats above and behind 6 King Street --- or that these people lived in rented rooms in the Brewhouse, that was on the hill.

I see nothing naming this place in Margate on any of the maps etc.

The only Brewhouse Hill street I can find is in Hertfordshire - not related.

Help would be appreciated,

Catherine

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Re: Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Brewhouse Hill was another name for Trinity Hill which led to Cobbs Brewery.
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KNIGHT, KEMP, ROYLE, RIDGWAY, Salford, Leeds
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Re: Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 20:11 GMT (UK) »
I think I know whats happened here.
Brewhouse Hill was the earlier name for Fort Road, the bottom end. Names changes were made round here in the late 1850's.
The Brew House mentioned is actually Webbs opened 1790 also known as the Thanet Brewery and mater in 1883. It ran from behind what would be number 9 King Street today (art studio, left hand side) up to Mansion Street.
Cobbs was further up the Hill on the right.

Francis Cobb, Brewer and Banker.... who lived at Brewhouse Hill on the 1851 Census had a Bank Here, which is now Margate Media Centre and earlier Lloyds bank/ This is the exact opp corner to 5 King Street.

Sadly, Margate Ambulance Corps took over this side in the 1890's and many old buildings pulled down.

So, what has happened the enumerator has come into King Street from the Parade (seafront) worked along the left side of King Street, turned into Brewery Hill which ran adjacent to Pump Lane, which later became Fort Road, then turned back into King Street

Will see if I can find a map to explain my ramblings!! ;D
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MORLEY, GIBBS, Sussex, Clapham, Wandsworth, Streatham
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Re: Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 20:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you ! Can I ask how you know that? I am looking for a source to reference that.
I wondered if there was a connection as the listing for Cobb on Brewhouse Hill included a note written on top of the word "Brewhouse" saying Holey House (or maybe Foley House) Holey House is it misspelled? was it a Church House? or was there a family by that name -

I notice also that the Census goes along King Street then, at 6 King lists the Brewhouse Hill families and then returns to 7 King.  So was 6 King the street address? Were there flats or something along the Brewhouse Hill?
I have posted the census so that you can see the Holey House reference......

Any help understanding would certainly help.

Thanks for contacting me!

Catherine

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Re: Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 20:23 GMT (UK) »
I meant Fort Hill?Road. I replied to your original post as not to confuse anyone researching SAYER whose thread this is.
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Re: Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Yes Fort Hill Road makes sense - again - how do you know this? Is there a source for this?

Thank you,

Catherine

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Re: Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Thanks - okay that makes sense too - if you have a map showing it I'd love to see it
I have spent a lot of time on those offical online uk ordinance and landmark maps - and at one time I was pretty sure that it had to be Fort Rd/Fort Hill Rd - just by the number brew houses there

Did you see the reference to Holey or Foley House on the Cobb's census listing that I attached -
What on earth is that?

lol

catherine

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Re: Margate Old Roads - Brewhouse Hill (6 King Street)
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Foley House was literally the name of the house Francis Cobb lived in.
This has now lead me to believe...That it Brewhouse Hill would be Brewery Hill, a very small court at the back of Cobbs Offices further along King Street Towards where I first said, Trinity Hill.
It certainly seems so with looking at the 1861 Census and seeing Cobbs Yard mentioned on the Census. Again, sadly, there isnt anything left there.
 
In the 1900 Directory Brewery Hill lists 7 properties, the same amount as on the 1851 Census.
It is just after 27 King Street. I only have this picture showing the side of
FOAD, All
PETTMAN - All
CONACHY, All
BUNNY - All
BRIDGLAND, CHAPMAN, Hawkshurst, Goudhurst & Cranbrook)
MORLEY, GIBBS, Sussex, Clapham, Wandsworth, Streatham
KNIGHT, KEMP, ROYLE, RIDGWAY, Salford, Leeds
MORFEY, FIELD - Rye and Ramsgate
PHILPOTT, GOODWIN, Herne, Whitstable & Blean
Interested in ALL Margate & Whitstable, Kent surnames.