William and Johana Murphy

[shanew147]

The possible Grogan link does look worth following up.

In my experience the of passing down a Maiden name down to a child, or sometimes through several generations, is generally a non-Catholic tradition. There may of course be exceptions, but I've only seen this in Church of Ireland and Presbyterian families.


Shane

[heywood]

The wedding I mentioned was a Catholic one.

He seems to be in 1881 with wife Rose and girls as John G Murphy.

[heywood]

When was your John Grogan born? Where do you have him on censuses, Pauline?

[ppym]

Hi Shane and Heywood, John Grogan shows up with a brood of 6 children in the 1901 census married to a Rose...hence the Armstrong connection.
The family as far as I know was a Protestant one, certainly my father , though not anti-Catholic refused to have me baptised a Catholic although mother would have liked that.

John Grogan is shown in1901 as being 8yrs therefore born c.1843

[heywood]

Hello,

he's the one I mean.

His marriage is on the Liverpool History Projects site
http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/

1875- married at St Francis Xavier Church.

In 1891 he is born Dublin and Rose is born Tyrone.

Do you have his father as William from his marriage certificate?

He can't be the same John of 1871 with William and Johanna. John G is too old.

[ppym]

Hi Heywood, he also shows up in the 1881 census at 35 Gregson Street. I have only just found the marriage in 1875.I have found a death for Rose  in 1885. I take your point about the age differential ..obviously I have been chasing a wild goose..or is is a red herring?

I will explore the other 2. Thanks  it may prove to be more fruitful.Pauline

[heywood]

It is hard with a name like Murphy though.

Not sure what you mean by the death in 1885 - Rose is alive in 1901 isn't she?

[heywood]

Anne Catherine's baptism is also on LHP site - 1890 at Sacred Heart Church so the family were Catholic in those days.

[ppym]

Hi Heywood, sorry my fault..looking at something else entirely,. Who is Anne Catherine. I have a Catherine but no A Catherine. P