Elizabeth MOTTRAM (& vars) Baptism Duffield 1780s

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We have a 10+ year brick wall with this one!

We have Samuel Motteram (born to who knows whom c. 1754 who knows where!) marrying Penelope Rumble (born 1763 in Therfield Herts to Francis & Frances Rumble) in Duffield 7/9/1785.  They were both apparently of the parish and both unmarried at the time.  Samuel moved his family down to Therfield at the end of 1790 (wife Penelope, daughter Elizabeth aged about 2 and son Francis one month old).  He survived a settlement order to remove them all back to Duffield and stayed in Therfield becoming the miller at Reed Mill half way between Therfield & Barkway.

I seem to remember about 5 years ago finding online a reference to an Elizabeth MOTTRUM or MOTTROM or some such variant being baptised in Duffield, Derbys in 1787 to Samuel.  I can't find it anywhere any more.  I have a vague recollectin that it might have been something like a Philimores or Pallots Baptism transcription but I'm not sure that makes sense.  Unfortunatly I was very new to family history research then and hadn't learnt to make a note of every URL where I found something useful!  We live & learn (hopefully!).

Can anyone help me with this please?  I have been in touch with the Derbys record office a few times over the last 6 years or so and they haven't found much but then I couldn't afford to pay for much more than 30 mins of their research at a time.

We have no idea where Samuel came from.  We've always thought that it was from the Mottram area in Cheshire originally but then red herrings like the children's names including a Deborah (and that sort of name for the Mottrams being in Lincs) or lots of Mottrams in Staffs (and the Mottram area having been in the Lichfield Diocese for some time in previous centuries) crop up.  It might be that he originally came from Derby itself.  There were seem to have been some Mottrams there at that time.

If it helps at all, Penelope & Samuel had the following children:
Elizabeth born Duffield c. 1787
Francis born 1790 Duffield and baptised Therfield 1791 - named after his mother's father (Rumble family)
Samuel baptised Therfield 1791 (presumably named after his father - Mottram family)
John bapt'd Therfield 1793
Joseph bapt'd Therfield 1795
William bapt'd Therfield 1797
Deborah bapt'd Therfield 1799
Joanna bapt'd Therfield 1801
Edith bapt'd Therfield 1804
Frances bapt'd Therfield 1807 (presumably after her mother's mother - Rumble family)

If anyone can help with anything about this family we would all be so grateful.  These Mottrams did their level best to set about populating most of that part of Hertfordshire in the 19th century taking on all sorts of trades, so it would be good to find their roots.

Many thanks,
Ruth