Ladykirk Farm 1851

[Scrivener]

I have found a daughter born 1897 called Ellie, living with Ann and David and Jane.  I have not found out yet if she is the daughter of David or Jane.  On the census for 1901 it shows the name Ellis but it says she is the niece of Ann.  I think this is right but have not found out anything else about her, or if David Fish was married.

Do you kno who would have been the tenant farmer at Ladykirk during the period of approx. 1815 to 1822?

My great-great grandmother, Ann Young Wilson, was "an orphan raised by her uncle, farmer Young tenant of Ladykirk' - quoted from 'John Clay: A Scottish Farmer (1906)

Ann Young Wilson's father was Charles Wilson and her mother was 'Ann'  I would venture to guess 'Ann' was Ann Young.

Ann Young Wilson was born approx. 1811 per the 1841 England Census.   Ann Young Wilson married John Clay 11 Oct 1822.

I am looking to establish the date and place of birth of Ann Young and the identity of her brother- the tenant farmer at Ladykirk around 1815 to 1822.

I'd be very glad for any assistance with this...

[sillgen]

Remember that ages were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 in the 1841 census so Ann could be between 30 and 34.  That would make more sense of the marriage date you have.  She would have been very young otherwise.
Andrea

[Scrivener]

Ann Young Wilson is listed in the 1841 England census as Ann Clay- 35 years of age, born about 1806.

Ann Young Wilson is listed in the 1851 Scotland census as Ann Clay- 54 years og age, born about 1797.
She is listed as born "Dky?? Berwickshire"- (Dykesheadgate)

Ann Young Wilson is listed in the 1861 Scotland census as Ann Clay- 64 years og age, born about 1797.
She is listed as born "Cockpen, Edinburghshire"

Ann Young Wilson's death record lists her as Ann Wilson, Wife of John Clay, Farmer, Deceased.  She died 18 June 1870, Kerchesters, Sprouston, Roxburghshire, Scotland.
Her parents are listed "Charles Wilson, Farmer, Deceased and Anne Wilson, ms Young, Deceased."

Ann's age at death is listed as "74 years"- so born 1796.

Usually, the older a woman became the later her reported birth year became ;-)  The fact that in 1851 and 1861 and on her death record 1797-1796 is listed- I find that credible.

I'm trying to piece together the biography of the uncle tenant farmer at Ladykirk who 'raised' Ann Young Wilson.
It would have been this farmer's sister- Anne Young, later Mrs. Clay- who was Ann Young Wilson's mother.
Both of Ann Young Wilson's parents would have been dead for some time before Ann married John Clay (in 1822) in order for Ann to have been considered 'an orphan raised by her uncle Young tenant farmer at Ladykirk'.

My goal is to get the birth, marriage and death information for Ann Wilson Young's parents -Charles Wilson, Farmer, Deceased and Anne Wilson, ms Young, Deceased.

I have had no success so far... fingers crossed ;-)

[Scrivener]

Ann Young Wilson would have to have been born in 1797 because she had twin siblings born 11 Oct 1796- a brother William and a sister Isabel.

I have located the records for 16 Oct 1796, Wilson [OPR Births 676/00 0020 0072 Cockpen] which lists:
 
"William & Isabel, twins lawfull children to Chalres Wilson and
Ann Young his spouse was born in Mill (?) hulin (?)
the 11 Octr and Baptized 16: 1796- - - -."

Ann would have been 25 years of age at the time of her marriage to John Clay.

The record of their marriage:
11/10/1822 Clay, John [OPR Marriages 757/00 0020 0114 Whitsome and Hilton]

"1822 Oct 11Mr. John Clay Tenant in
Dykethead in the Parish of Whitsom
and Miss Ann Wilson in the Parish of Ladykirk"

I don't know if the twins survived and if so, if they too were raised by their uncle, the tenant farmer at Ladykirk.

[Violetta]

Hello again. Sorry to have mentioned the Fish family.  i originally thought you had mentioned them but on looking back realise you didn't! I think that the Smiths may have owned the farm  as they were living in Loanend when Grace Ann married my great grandfather and then they must have moved back to the farm  - I am presuming Grace was  there when David died.  I have been to see the farm and have a photo of it if you are interested although no doubt you could find it on google maps. it is very large and just up from the church with wonderful views.  I really don't know much about the Youngs although I think there are a few in Norham church yard.  I am going up north next month so could have a look round Norham churchyard if you would like - it is becoming quite familiar !

I could look in Berwick record office too for you as I am popping in there when I go..  Just let me know what you want to know and I can ask.

I am not being of much help to you According to information on Norham township 1864 there were several Youngs - two were monumental masons and one a provisions dealer.  No farmers at that time. Ladykirk is so close to Norham I know that folks went back and forth over the bridge into Scotland.

I will try and find out who moved into Ladykirk after the Smiths moved out.  It makes sense that Youngs were there around 1820.  My grt grt grandfathere was born 1811 and married 1834 and then moved into the farm.  Helen Young was with them.  It might also be interesting to discover what David put in his will re the farm and have a look for Helen in the censuses.

[Violetta]

Hello again.  this is like a jigsaw.  If this is David young born 1833 it cannot be Grace Annes first husband as she married in  1834.  Have you found a James Young as I now have looked back through my records and grace Ann I think was married to a James not David.  As Grace Anne was born 1812 I believe this means that her first husband must have been born around that time or earlier and perhaps was already living on the farm?

[Scrivener]

Hello again. Sorry to have mentioned the Fish family.  i originally thought you had mentioned them but on looking back realise you didn't! I think that the Smiths may have owned the farm  as they were living in Loanend when Grace Ann married my great grandfather and then they must have moved back to the farm  - I am presuming Grace was  there when David died.  I have been to see the farm and have a photo of it if you are interested although no doubt you could find it on google maps. it is very large and just up from the church with wonderful views.  I really don't know much about the Youngs although I think there are a few in Norham church yard.  I am going up north next month so could have a look round Norham churchyard if you would like - it is becoming quite familiar !

I could look in Berwick record office too for you as I am popping in there when I go..  Just let me know what you want to know and I can ask.

I am not being of much help to you According to information on Norham township 1864 there were several Youngs - two were monumental masons and one a provisions dealer.  No farmers at that time. Ladykirk is so close to Norham I know that folks went back and forth over the bridge into Scotland.

I will try and find out who moved into Ladykirk after the Smiths moved out.  It makes sense that Youngs were there around 1820.  My grt grt grandfathere was born 1811 and married 1834 and then moved into the farm.  Helen Young was with them.  It might also be interesting to discover what David put in his will re the farm and have a look for Helen in the censuses.

I would be very glad to see the photo of Ladykirk you mention...

A look around the church yard or the Berwich records might be just the things to reveal the name and dates for 'tenant farmer at Ladykirk uncle Young'- the uncle of Ann Young Wilson and the details about Ladykirk.

I would think that ''tenant farmer at Ladykirk uncle Young'' would have been at Ladykirk a while before 1820 -as Ann Young Wilson was 'an orphan raised by him' and Ann Young Wilson married John Clay on 11 Oct 1822 when she was 25 years of age. 

I would be very grateful for your efforts to check the church yard and the records office.

Charles Wilson and Ann Young are the parents of Ann Young Wilson- so 'tenant farmer at Ladykirk uncle Young' would be the brother of Ann Young.

I am trying to find the parents of Ann Young and 'tenant farmer uncle Young'.  I am also trying to find the dates of birth and death for Charles Wilson and Ann Young.

I'd be thrilled to know what information the Norham church yard and the Berwich records office might
provide...
Thank you very much for your help...

[Violetta]

Hello there

Just spoke to one of my newly discovered Smith relatives and she tells me she has Young details on her Smith family tree.  I will have a look in a mo. Also she tell me she has all the Norham church yard details of headstones and so when I go up north next month I will have a look at them. Also if you have time to trawl through the Norham parish records which can be found on line which I found through Family Search - Diocese of Durham Bishops Transcripts ca. 1700-1900 you may find something about the Youngs - I haven't looked for three years but am convinced I noticed mention of  Grace Annes first husband.  You may like to look at my family tree on Ancestory as well. There is obviously a connection between these Youngs as she ended up at the farm. Will try to up load the photo - it is New Ladykirk by the way.

[Scrivener]

I would very much like to look at your Ancestry tree- please message me the name of the tree so I can look for it.

I will also look over the Diocese of Durham Bishops Transcripts ca. 1700-1900 on Family Search.

Thank you!