Ladykirk Farm 1851

[Violetta]

Hello Gadget,

There has been progress with Christian and James. James was son of Robert Nicholson (he died 1889 and was the last tenant at Thornton)

I still don't know wen they married but I have been in contact with Bruce Nicholson USA who is a direct descendant of William Nicholson.

He has worked out and sent me how the Smiths of Grace anne and George descend from the Nicholsons of Loanend.

I have so much information that I feel I'm in the middle of a gigantic family puzzle. I'm just a beginner at this game !

Thank you for taking the trouble much appreciated.  When I have ploughed through all the information he has sent me I hope I will find their marriage date.

I am completely stuck regarding the parentage of George.  I think he is involved with George Smith of Horncliffe Mill who died 1792 age 70.

There is also a William Smith b 1814 of Melkington hall Mansion House Cornhill Tilmouth. Georges brother perhaps? 1871 Census RG10 /5186/89/11.

I have tried everything I am able to and still don't get anywhere!  I hope to get Grace A's and George's marriage cert tomorrow.

Thanks again , I am stuck as to what to do next!



Violetta

[Gadget]

The marriage cert should give George's father's name and occupation so that will solve one problem.  The others will slot into place as and when.

Just take your main line first of all and work through them. Then you can branch out to the siblings 

I'm currently working through the siblings and descendants of my 2 and 3 x great grandparents  (lots of children and all over UK and Canada/US and Australia) and I started doing my history many years ago!


Gadget

[Violetta]

Now on the search for The Salmon Inn - Norham which G Grandpa John met Anne who was publican  - her mother Anne Fish !! was innkeeper before her there.  Census 1881 and 1891.  It is no longer in the village .  Where can  I find out?  It was on main Street.

I have been trying for a few days now.

There are 2 pubs in the village now The Masons Arms and the Castle Hotel  - neither on Main Street  - if that still exists.

I have come up with a father for George  -  If i am right he was married to Hannah Nicholson in Yorkshire!  I need to verify this.

Hope someon e may have an idea how I can find the old pub.

Thanks

Violetta

[Gadget]

Hi 

Have you gone through the enumeration district page by page on one of the censuses?  This should list the Inn and you would then get an approximate location in relation to other addresses.


Gadget

[Violetta]

Gadget and Jora,

Results after searching through Parish records;

Found a sister for Grace Anne (Mary)

Found Grace Anne's and Georges marriage

The elusive George Smiths - Found  George no. 1 son of George Smith Farmer of East mains - wife Christian Trotter. He died age 4 months 1806.

No record for George no.2. (born 1810) Nothing in the records on line.

Also think I have found mother for George father of George no. 1 and George no2.

Philis smith of Norham East Mains died 1810 aged 80.

All these Georges are a nightmare!

How else do I go about finding details of birth of George no2?

Violetta

[Gadget]

Hi Violetta

Will s might give some information but Smiths are not easy to fine.

The National Archives have an online search and download service for pre-1857 wills:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp?WT.hp=Wills

These are aill proved at Canterbury. If the will was a locally proved one, it might well be at Morpeth:

http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/archive.htm

Sorry, I'm not up on Northumberland wills 



Gadget

[boswells]

I was brought up in the next Scottish Parish to Ladykirk and know all of the places you have mentioned very well.  What does not seem to have come out is that Ladykirk is in Ladykirk parish which is in Berwickshire, Scotland.  You may therefore need to broaden your search.  Incidentally while there is a Ladykirk Estate there is no Ladykirk farm as such but there are Old Ladykirk, New Ladykirk, Ladykirk Shiels on the Estate.
Hope that helps.
Alan

[Gadget]

Hi Alan

The family only remained at Ladykirk Farm for a short while. I think that we've traced them all back to Northumberland.


Gadget

[Violetta]

Hi Alan and Gadget

They lived at New ladykirk Farm.  It belonged to/ or leased by Georges wife 's first husband  David Young b 11.11.1833.

There are a lot of Youngs in Norham.  The Nicholson connection /loanend comes through Grace Annes Whites mother. The farm might have come to them via that or the White connection.

On George and Graces marriage certificate his father George is also a farmer. I presume at Loanend which was his residence at time of marriage.

Thanks for the idea about wills Gadget i 'll give that a try.  i might be on a wild goose chase.  My smiths's could be something to do with those of Horncliffe Mill.  Who knows?

Thanks for your advice too Alan.

jane