Rhyd-Ddu Beddgelert

[litherland lass]

My great grand mother Gwen Roberts (nee Williams) was  born around 1855/56 according to the 1901 census. She came from Rhyd-Ddu.Beddgelert.
If anyone can shed any light on her birth date I would be grateful.
Not sure what parish it would come under. Can't find a Gwen Williams for 1855 /6 on the freebmd

[pinot]

Rhyd Ddu addresses are usually in the parish of Beddgelert. Can you post the census reference for the entry you've found? It might speed up research.
                       Pinot 

[hiraeth]

I believe Beddgelert came under the Festiniog district in ref to GRO registration.  NorthWales BMD has two Gwen Williams for 1856 one at subdistrict Deudraeth and one at subdistrict Ffestiniog (ref ARDB1/9/E236) registers at Dolgellau according to NWBMD.   Do you have Gwen's father's name from her marriage certificate?  That should give a good crosscheck for censuses and ordering the correct  birth certificate.

Heather

[EmyrBorth]

Hi
I assume this is linked to the Bron y Foel Hall topic. I've had a go at finding the marriage and failed. Where did you get the information 'nee Williams' ? Rhyd Ddu is in the parish of Beddgelert. I've got ancestors from both sides of my family in this parish and have studied many sources of information re the parish, and am continuing to look for new sources. I'll have a look at the Parish registers next week. Unfortunately as people converted to Nonconformist sects it makes information less accesible.

As I was 'posting' a message came up that another reply had been posted. Yes, at that time Beddgelert came under Ffestiniog Registration district, part of the parish being in Merionethshire and part in Carnarvonshire. Later, because of a boundary change, it all came under Carnarvonshire. When looking for information on Ancestry re Beddgelert you have to look under both counties.

Emyr

[Jo Harding]

Hello litherland lass,

The baptism for Gwen Williams is on Freereg and is as follows:

Beddgelert Parish Church.

07 April 1855, baptised Gwen, daughter of Elias and Anne Williams.

http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl

Jo

[litherland lass]

thanks to Emyr and Jo and to everyone who has responded.To try and answer all questions raised I hope I can cover them in this reply. Apologies in advance if this already covers some of the replies. I found the area on my great grand mother from two census 1891 and 1901 relating to my original enquiry about my grand father, not thinking I would be taking the data even further back. These census relate to No 1 Cesarea Terrace Llandwrog. (sometimes spelt Ceasarea). Gwen has stated on the census  on the 1891 that she was from Beddgelert. Yet on the 1901 census she stated she was from Rhyd-Ddu which I am told is part of Beddgelert. Her age given on the 1901 census is 45. So she could of been born 1855 or 56?
From the person who has listed a Gwen with parents name a big thank you. Will look into this a bit further.
I think I have traced my great grandparents marriage lines as both a Robert Roberts and a Gwen Williams appear on the Dec quarter 1876 11b 784
thanks again but anymore information is welcome.  I honeymoon in Beddgelert in 1972 but neither my mum or nan said they had connections with the area via my nan's marriage to Evan Roberts, who I have never known as he died in 1932 aged either 44 or 45. Hence the photo's we have of Plas Du of my mum and nan in 1933 8 months after his death taken with what I think is another family member??? which makes me wounder is there a family connection with this house!!

[Jo Harding]

Hello litherland lass,

I wonder how old the house, Plas Du, would have been. Do you have any idea? The reason I ask is that if it is old enough, it would be possible to do a place search on the census for it. That would revela who lived there in years gone by. Then we can see if these people are related to your ancestors.

I suspect the father of Gwen Williams might be Ellis Williams, that the name has been mitranscribed in the register. I note there is a marriage of an Ellis Williams to Anne Humphreys in Llangybi on 20 June 1835. That was also an area where there were slate mines according to Genuki.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Llangybi/index.html

This couple had a son, William, baptised 09/05/1837 at Capel Helyg, Llangybi.

What information do you have on this family from census returns?

It should be possible to track Ellis/Elias Williams and Anne in the census both before and after Gwen was born.

Jo

[litherland lass]

hi Jo, when I visited Plas Du last year, the owners had the deeds. The notes I wrote down show a date of 23.1.1896 with a Mary elixabeth Campbell (mortgagor) and a Elizabeth Ann Aspinall (mortgagee) with 53 acres of land.to be tenanted to a John robinson 19.9.1881 with a yearly rent of £16 on 25.3.1881.
on the 1.3.1899 Mary E Campbell died.
3.2.1904 A.Solomon was trustee of the will. On the 17.1.1917 Estate of JRC Atwood were granted to a Mrs G M G Lewis 29.9.1946 Mr G A T Whitehouse sells to Mary Ellen Jones she died 12.12.1960.
My feelings are is that Mary Ellen Jones is the lady in the picture back in 1933 with my late  mum and nan.
i have had an email from another source saying that they might be related to my great grand mother Gwen of which I have got baptism details which gives me a rough but good idea when she was born but no address other than in the area of Rhyd -Ddu in Beddgelert.
Litherland Lass- Pauline

[Jo Harding]

Hello litherland lass,

Re Mary Ellen Jones, do you know if this lady was married, or was Jones her maiden name? Also, what year was she born?

Could she be connected to the Jones family mentioned in your other post on this site?

A couple of possible approaches come to mind. One would be to ask the local paper for Beddgelert to print the photo and ask people for information on the place and people. The other is to look at the electoral rolls for Plas Du for the 1930s. This would give you details of the people living there then who were registered to vote.

Jo