James Scott, Belfast/Dunmurry born c1852

[Nick_Scott]

Now that the 1901 is online, I was able to quickly track down my relatives. I was told they lived in Belfast, but never had any luck searching the microfiche at the FHS.

Looks like the problem was they lived JUST OUTSIDE belfast.  However, I'm not exactly sure where. You can see the piece of the census below.

I see both the locations "Belfast" and "Lisburn" listed, plus Ballygomartin, Suffolk, and Shankill, which do not mean as much.  But "Dunmurry" is the one that seems the most relevent?

Plus no street address. Does this mean my GGGrandfather, James Scott, lived outside the village, in Dunmurry?  By trade he was a Beetler, which would have been a common job in Dunmurry.

According to this website: http://www.lisburn.com/books/dunmurry-changing/dunmurry-1.html The linen trade was the main employer in town.

But now I'm stuck. I can not find any geneological information about Dunmurry except the site above.  SHould I focus on Belfast or Lisburn?

[aghadowey]

Here's the household of James Scott-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballygomartin/Suffolk/988967

The place is Suffolk (only cities and towns will have had street/road names), Ballygomartin is the D.E.D. (district electoral division)- see list of 1901 households here-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballygomartin/Suffolk

I've removed that image of the top of the page from your post as it was stretching the screen but here's a link to it- The headings at the top of the page are fairly straight-forward (Lisburn is the constabulary district and Dunmurray is the sub-district)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000357995

[Nick_Scott]

The place is Suffolk (only cities and towns will have had street/road names),

The thing that I was confused by was that both "Suffolk", "Ballygomartin", "Shankill", and "Dunmurry" are all seperate places today.

Clearly in the past, some were subsets of others, while some overlapped because they were denoting a different type of historical regions.

Just trying to track down the physical location. ie Where exactly was Suffolk?

(sorry about the long image. Here is a smaller version)



I also have the 1888 marriage certificate, but its nearly impossible to read a location.  It might say "Suffolk" as his location?  Looks like the wife was from Lisburn?

[aghadowey]

If you look at GoogleMaps (type in Suffolk, Belfast) it takes you to present Suffolk Rd. - you can see that the village of Dunmurray isn't far away.

Think you are getting confused since all the different catagories on the census form are also the names of places in the area (i.e. the city of Lisburn is not the same as the constabulary district of Lisburn, etc.)

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   This looks like the family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/French_Park_Street/160698/

Regards

[Nick_Scott]

Fortunetly, "French Park St" is much easier to locate on a map! 

Originally I got stuck because Frenchpark street, and the whole neighborhood did not exist before 1905. It was an empty field.  Then from 1905-1915 they lived there, then moved to Boston.

Now I have them at Suffolk in 1901.  "James Scott" should be real easy to find in the village directories online, but the only "James Scott" I can find is at:
Hillside Terrace, Ballysillian (Ligoniel) and Knockbraken.

Neither of which is anywhere near Dunmurry. Though the Ligoniel address is in Ballygomartin, so that might be it?

[aghadowey]

James Scott's occupation was beetler and it may be that he won't be listed in any directories or that the family moved fairly often- don't forget the census only shows a location for the census date.

There are quite a few online directories for that period- sometimes better to search by both name and address to find a person.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369534.0.html

[Nick_Scott]

Finally figured out the exact location of Suffolk village.

I just discovered a fantastic website: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

It has the entire 1862 Ireland ordanance map, overlayed onto a modern google map.  It then has the entire Griffiths Valuation database entered, and linked to the map.  Only takes seconds to find the exactly location of ancestors, then you can view it from a satelite and see how it has changed.

Moderator's Note: copyright image removed. Please see here:
www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch

Still can not find him on the directories, but the Griffiths Valuation has a James Scott in nearby Malone Upper.

[Nick_Scott]

My GGgrandfather has been a dead end.
I have a fair number of records for him, but have not been able to track down any parents beyond the name "JAMES".

On the 1911 Census: (135 French Park st, Belfast)
James Scott, Church of Ireland, Age 59, Beetler, married 22 years, born c antrim
(Married to Margaret Lown, Age 48)

On the 1901 Census: (Suffolk townland)
James Scott, Church of England, Age 51, Beetler, born c antrim
(Married to Margaret Lown, Age 39)

Marriage Certificate: (Married 5/5/1888 at Lisburn Cathedral)
James Scott, Church of Ireland, Engineman, Englishtown, Age 35, Widower,
Father: James Scott (Bleacher)
Margaret Lown, Church of Ireland, ,Low Road, Age 28, Spinster
Father: Edward Lown (Gardener)

I have the name "James Scott" (senior), but it is a very common name.  I have not been able to locate a birth certificate for "James Scott" (junior). There is a discepency in the ages above, but appears to have been born between 1851 and 1853. 

Neither Ancestryireland, rootsireland, familysearch, or ancestry.com have anything listed for the "James Scott" born 51-53 in Antrim, Father James Scott.
Emerald Ancestors does have a close match, but that "James Scott" is Roman Catholic. Mine is Church of Ireland.

Clearly it must exist, and its probobly what I need to find in order to start tracking down "James Scott" (senior).

Speaking of religion. I noticed that on the 1901 census, he lists "Church of England" instead of "Church of Ireland".  Does that mean his father came from Scotland? or England?

Thanks, Nicholas Scott