12th Regiment of Foot Liverpool Lancashire

[qbutterbee]

I have come across a death notice for my 4 x great grandfather in South Australia and it states that Matthew Ormsby (1) was a soldier in the 12th Regiment of Foot. Matthew was born in Sligo Ireland and I believe they may have been stationed in Lancashire as I have found a Matthew Ormsby (who may be the father of Matthew Ormsby (1)) in the 1861 English census in Liverpool Lancashire and he was a retired military officer and from Sligo Ireland. Also in the South Australian death notice for Matthew (1) was a statement of "Liverpool Mercury please copy". My 4 x great grandfather was in South Australia in 1853 as he had a son born in that year in Adelaide. I have googled 12th regiment of foot and it points to them being in Victoria for the Eureka Stockade. Would anybody have any idea where I could get more information on the 12th regiment please? and I am seeking information about the Ormsby family in Toxheth Park in Liverpool please?
Thanks Deb Robinson

[km1971]

Hi Deb

There is a death recorded on FreeBMD for a Matthew Phibbs Ormsby in March (qtr) of 1865. It was in West Derby which was basically modern day Liverpool, apart from the city centre. This may give details of what type of officer he was, as he is not coming up in the London Gazette website. Nor can I find him in a few Army Lists of the period. So he may have sold his half-pay commission, or was an officer of the Volunteers.

I would also suggest you post a question on MERSEYSIDE GENEALOGY & HISTORY FORUM as I believe a few members have access to the Liverpool Mercury archives.

Have now found this – http://www.royalblood.co.uk/D804/I804358.html  - which suggests they were not related

PS...when did the soldier die and how old was he? Also, where did you get the information that the 12th were in Australia in 1853? My records have one battalion in the Cape, and the other leaving Cork for NSW in July 1854.

Ken

[ShaunJ]

Let's put some more census data on the table:

1841

Edge Vale, Walton on the Hill

Matthew Ormsby 45 Ind
Thomas  20
Elizabeth 20(?)
Jane 15
Rebecca 15
Dora 10

All born Ireland

1851

Cleveden Street, Toxteth Park

Matthew Ormsby wid 59 Assistant Messenger, Court of Bankruptcy 
Eliza  daur 28
Rebecca daur 22
Dorothea daur 20

All born Ireland

[ShaunJ]

The Liverpool Mercury March 19th 1885, Deaths

Ormsby: March 15 at 37 Wilson Street, Elizabeth eldest daughter of the late Matthew Ormsby esq and grandaughter of the late George Ormsby of Belvoir and John Ormsby of Canmin, esqs, in the County of Sligo

[ShaunJ]

The Liverpool Mercury March 19th 1877, Deaths:

Ormsby: March 16 at 316 Park Road, Dora Edith, youngest daughter of the late Matthew Ormsby of Bellvoir, County Sligo

[ainslie]

The 12th Regiment of Foot became the Suffolk Regiment in 1881, and are now part of The Royal Anglian Regiment.
There is a Suffok Regiment website, and you may be able to use it for more information about their service in Australia and Lancashire:
http://www.suffolkregiment.org/Menu.html

It seems clear that the regiment was at the Eureka Stockade.
A

Added:
From 1881 census [LDS transcription on disk]- perhaps related:
Dwelling:   24 Park Rd
   Census Place:   Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341871     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 3637    Folio 75    Page 3
George ORMSBY    M   50    M   Castle Willen, Ireland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Drapers Assistant
Martha ORMSBY      M   39    F   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
   Rel:   Wife
William ORMSBY    U   15    M   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   General Clerk
Emily ORMSBY   U   13    F   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
George ORMSBY    U   11    M   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
William MITCHELL   U   20    M   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
   Rel:   Boarder
   Occ:   Rivetters Appce Shipbuilder

AND
   Dwelling:   358 Park Road
   Census Place:   Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341872     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 3642    Folio 121    Page 19
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Elizabeth ORMSBY   U   68    F   Ireland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Hosier
Rebecca ORMSBY   U   45    F   Ireland
   Rel:   Sister
   Occ:   Dressmaker


Moderator Comment: topics merged

[ShaunJ]

Elizabeth, Rebecca and Dora are in lodgings at 52 South Street in the 1871 census

[ShaunJ]

Ormsby burials at Toxteth Park include:


Mathew Phibbs
aged 81,    H.M Customs,   52 South Street, 26 January 1865

Dora   
aged 42 ,   316 Park Road, 22 March 1877   

Elizabeth
aged 66,  27 Wilson Street,   20 March 1885   
   
Rebecca
aged 66,  31 David Street.    21 April 1892   

[ShaunJ]

Liverpool Mercury January 25th 1865; Deaths:

Ormsby: January 20 at 52 South Street aged 81, Matthew Phibbs Ormsby, esg, son of the late George Ormsby of Bellevoir County Sligo, Ireland