Orgill LEMAN of Brampton Hall

[An65]

My story starts at the lower (most recent end of the family)

Ann Leman b.1796 Brampton Sfk, d.1878 Boston, LIN, married Thomas Gee Esq of Brothertoft Hall at Brampton in 1822.

She was d/o Naunton Thomas Orgill Leman and Henrietta Jane Anderson of Brampton Hall Suffolk.

Naunton Thomas Orgill Leman was the son of William Orgill and Sarah/Susan? Leman, and her brother Roberts daughter Mary was the sole heir of the Leman surname. By kings order in 1808 the Orgills were allowed to take the Leman surname.

Henrietta Jane Anderson was d/o Sir William Anderson and Anne Maddison.

Naunton and Henrietta were known to have had (apart from Anne):

George - Revd, of Brampton Hall d.1867
Naunton 1792-1818
Robert 1799-1869 Revd, of Brampton Hall prev of Charing Kent, married 1) Isabella Camilla Twysden and 2) Ellen Maria Ross.
Charles 1801-1815/16
William 1802-48 unmarried.
Thomas 1804-1873 married Emily Antonia Guerin in 1848 at Taunton, Devon also a Revd
Elizabeth Mary d.1842 unmarried
Charlotte d.1796
Susan d.1856 unmarried
Harriet d.1884 unmarried
Charlotte no dates married George Barlee
and Frances no dates married Molyneux Shuldham

Am NOT related, just extremely nosey and hope to tie details in with a history of Brothertoft, where Thomas Gee and Ann Leman his wife lived at Brothertoft Hall.

Many thanks. Ann

[smudwhisk]

Ann

Naunton Thomas Orgill (later Leman)'s mother was Susanne Leman, her parents were William Leman and Sarah Leman who were related.  The Robert you refer to (with daughter Mary) was Sarah Leman's brother from memory not Susanne's brother as she didn't have a brother Robert.  I don't know anything about Sarah Leman because my interest is through William her husband whose grandmother is a sideline on one of my family trees.

Nicola

[An65]

Many thanks, at least now I know who my Sarahs and Susannahs tie up and what to look for x

[Suffolk Mawther]

Any connection to Sir John Leman?

One of Suffolks famous sons.


Born 1544  died 1632 he was a tradesman from Beccles, who became a Lord Mayor of London.

He was the benefactor of the free school in Beccles and today the little Museum in the town is Leman House.  The local High School also takes his name.

Unfortunately he never married, never had children - however, he might be a great uncle ?

Pat ...

[smudwhisk]

Looks like the Wenhaston, Beccles, Letheringham and Hetheringsett families are all related but the information that can be gleaned from published pedigrees and other articles is a bit confusing at times.   According to http://www.bigenealogy.com/suffolk/brampton_parish.htm Sir John was the brother of William from whom the other families descend.

William Leman who married Sarah Leman descends from the Letheringham family which go back to John and Theophila Leman, his wife Sarah descends from Thomas Leman of Hetheringsett.

[An65]

excellent many thanks!!

[Richard.44]

I've been doing research on the Leman family since the late 1960s and can confirm the link with Sir John Leman to the later Orgill Lemans as well as to Charsfield, Letheringham, Wenhaston, Northaw and Aldgate.  I have data up until about the 1930s for the Orgill Leman family.  It would be so interesting to find the present day descendants!

My own rather indirect link is with the Leman family of Ilketshall St Andrew where others extended the record quite successfully though we haven't yet established a link to the Orgill Lemans!

I should be pleased to hear further news!

Richard

[osmposm]

I'm not sure there are any descendants left in the male line - I've been looking for any for years.

I think only two of the Rev Naunton Thomas Orgill Leman's sons married - Robert (1799-1869) & The Rev Thomas (1804-1873). Thomas died without issue, but Robert married twice and had children by both wives.

By Isabella Twysden he had a son, Naunton (1825-1904), who married Rosa E Ross. They in turn also had a single son, Robert Naunton Leman (1870-1927), who in 1913 married Gertrude Bloomfield. They had just one child, Beryl Twysden Leman, born in 1914: she died without issue in 1999.

By his second wife, Ellen Maria Ross, Robert (d 1869) had four more children, one born posthumously, the other three when he was in his 60s! There was a son, Anderson Thomas John Leman (b 1862) and three daughters. I lost track of Anderson for a long time, but I now believe he moved to Australia in 1885, and died in Queensland in 1935: I've so far been unable to find out if he had a family.

Of the daughters, Maud (1866-1878) & Ethel (1869-1941) died without issue, while Beatrice (c1864-1945) married Frederick Wm South in 1902 - another daughter, "Fanny", is mentioned in her uncle Rev Thos's will, but I suspect this must have been a family nickname for one of the others. Beatrice & Fredk had one son, Frederick Ross Naunton South (1903-1987), an electrician in Yeovil (how are the mighty fallen!); this Frederick seems (from his mother's will) to have had at least one child, a daughter, Lois, living in 1939 - but I've so far failed to find any sign of his marriage or children's birth. I'll go and look for his will when I get a moment.

There are certainly descendants of the Rev Naunton Thomas Orgill Leman's daughter, Frances, who married Commander Molyneux Shuldham, RN, in 1820 (and died in 1866) - there may perhaps be others of the Barlee & Gee families, too, I've not looked into them yet.

I own a pair of 1834 portraits of the Rev Naunton T O Leman & his wife Henrietta, and the reason for my interest. I'll take some photos and post them here another day.

Ossie Bullock

[Richard.44]

Yes, very useful information, Ossie, and I can confirm many of your names mentioned though there is much new information too.  I must get out all the papers again (no computers when I started!) and will let you and others know if I find more leads.   Greats news that you have some portraits and I look forward to seeing them one day.

Richard Oakman
Wanstead, London