John Doral Denman

[An65]

Hi my name Liz Denman. I'm a direct relation to the Denmans at Hawthorne Hill. I'm fact I live about 15 miles away. My aunt is called Barbara  Dorrell  Denman. As you can see we haven't moved vary far in the last few Hundred years

My dad's schoolfriend was Pete Denman his dad was known as Truey but his real name was John. His father was Trueman Denman and his, the John Doral Denman of Hawthorn Hill.

[Graham GD]

An65,thanks for your posts,which I read with interest.
My grandfather was John Dorrell Denman,born 1875 at Heckington Fen.His father David was born 1840 at the North Forty Foot Bank (Now Holland Fen) near Brothertoft.
I can't quite get to Davids father,but David was down in a later census as living with his elderly mother named only as "Milley". Could this be Mildred Hall,do you think?

David married a widow,Elizabeth Patchett nee Richardson in 1873.

[An65]

Yeah hes the son of John Doral Denman of Hawthorn Hill (Dogdyke) who married Mildred Hall. They married 1828 at Coningsby.
 
B.abt 1840 North Forty Foot Bank his siblings were:
Joseph Danell Denman c. 1829 Coningsby
Mary Denman b. Abt 1831
Henry Doral Denman b.1833 North Forty Foot Bank d. 1920 Racine Wisconsin.
John Doral Denman b.abt 1837 Fosdyke Fen (area near Holland Fen church, no doubt still on the NFFB). He married Betsey Kime and lived in a house in Brothertoft churchyard. Theyre the ancestors of my dads friend Pete.

David Doral Denman b.abt 1840 NFFB married Elizabeth Mary widow of Charles Patchett. I know of 2 sons John and David, both born Heckington. John went to Vancouver but returned in 1918.

If you hunt for John and Amelia (as opposed to Mildred) in the 1841 census you will find they are all on the NFFB and David is there with them. They are also together in 1851 when Mildred has her real name.

[Graham GD]

An65 Many thanks for your reply/help.

Is there any particular reason why "Milley" should be named Amelia in the 1841 census,but Mildred in the 1851?

Also,any idea who John Doral's (Mildreds husband) father was ?Would love to go back as far as poss.

Again,many thanks.

[An65]

Census enumerators had a hard job, especially back then as the general population could neither read or write, so largely went by what they thought they heard, or were told. If John said his wife was called Millie the enumerator could have written Amelia because he assumed that was her name, rather than the rather uncommon Mildred.
however she is called Mildred Hall at their wedding in Coningsby 3rd March 1828, and listed as being of an extra-parochial place North 40 Foot in Holland Fen. Whereas John Denman is listed as being of Coningsby. No clues as to parentage in the wedding, the witnesses were Thomas Hand and Samuel Blackburn.

There is a Joseph Denman & Anne Riggall having children in Coningsby from 1797-1815, our John might belong to them.

[An65]

Just took a look at Joseph Denmans marriage 23 January 1797 at Coningsby. He claims to be from Retford Notts at time of marriage, while his wife Ann Riggall is of Coningsby. Again no other clues with witnesses being James Shaw and James Blackburn.
If you want to see these Google Lincs  to the Past website and type Coningsby marriage into the search box and then go to images and find the right year.

[Graham GD]

An65,again I am much obliged for your help.

[An65]

Ann Denman, widow of Joseph, nee Riggall, Appears on the 1851 census living with her son Henry. They are living at Hawthorn Hill. So I believe you have the parents names.
Ann Riggall came from Wragby and her parents were Martin & Mary.

[An65]

Bit more for you, Joseph died at Dogdyke (Hawthorn Hill) 1835 and was buried at Coningsby. His wife Ann was also buried there after her death in 1856.

Trying to find Joseph birth is difficult, as since he doesn't appear on census we can't be certain where he was born. However, it's likely that that far back we could be moving back towards Retford, Notts. there was a Joseph born there in 1773 but according to the Ancestry family trees his family appear to be well documented. There is, though, another Joseph b.1777 at West Markham who doesn't appear to have stayed there. (died a child/moved away??) So it's worth looking into him as West Markham not that far from Retford. This Joseph parents were John and Catherine.