Reed/Reade Research Summary - Liverpool

[katpac]

Here is everything I know so anything above or beyond about these relatives is much appreciated:
 
My GG Grandfather was Capt. William John Reed. He was born November 20, 1854 in Liverpool, England. He died August 21, 1928 in Charlestown, Massachusett, USA (at a merchant marine hospital) and was buried in Andover, MA.  
 
His mother was Mary Ann(e) Cornish b. 1817 census says born North Shield, Northumberland d. 1894 in Andover, MA.  
Her father was Richard Cornish and her mother was Ann Morgan (possibly related in some way to Sir Henry Morgan as one family rumor is that we are related to a pirate).  Mary Ann's burial record says her parents were both born in Wales.

William John's father was William James Reed/Reade/Reid b. abt 1815 d. unknown
 
William's John's older brother Richard Cornish Reed was b July 14, 1845 in Liverpool, England, d March 4 1914
i think Mary Anne and William James also had at least two daughters, Annie b. abt 1849 and Maria b. abt 1850.  
1851 census they were listed on a Toxteth Park/Lancashire UK census with Mary Ann as head, Richard age 5,
Maria age 3 and Annie age 1.  

William James Reed and Mary Ann Cornish also had a son June, 1852 (freeBMD index) who died
Source: Liverpool Mercury, 13 Dec. 1853 "DEATHS. ... Nov. 25th, aged 19 months, William Cornish, son of Captain William Reed, Bedford-street, Toxteth-park."

Baptism: 31 Jul 1845 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard Cornish Reade - [Child] of William Reade & Mary Anne
    Born: 14 Jul 1845
    Abode: Beford Street
    Occupation: Master Mariner
    Baptised by: J H Stafford Off.'s Min's
    Register: Baptisms 1844 -1846, Page 228, Entry 1817
    Source: LDS Film 93884
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-Central/stpeter/baptisms_1845.html

William James, Richard, and William John were all sea captains.
 
Family story has that William James may have owned 3 ships, 2 of which were wrecked.Not sure of the ships names or when he died or where he was born or his parent's names/birthplaces.

To add to the mix, the following may be leads or just coincidence:

1) Liverpool Mercury, 18 Dec. 1846
"On Thursday, the 10th instant, ... at St. Philip's Church, Daniel Lytton Reed, of Torquay, Devonshire, to Emma, youngest daughter of Richard Cornish, Esq."

Daniel Litton Reed in theory could have been the brother of my William James and Emma Cornish sister to Mary Ann.  Daniel was also a master mariner in Liverpool, he moved to and died in Melbourne,Australia. According to a tree on Ancestry.com, he was born 1821 in Dawlish, Devon and had a brother named William born 5 April 1815.
But Emma Cornish is listed as having been
born 1824 in Paignton, Devon to a Richard Cornish and Mary Gibson (not Ann Morgan or to parents from Wales)
Tree lists siblings but no sister Mary Ann Cornish.
 
 2)  Liverpool Mercury, 24 Jan. 1860.
"MARRIAGES.- Jan.16, at St. James's, Toxteth-park, by the Rev. John Dunkley, M.A., Mr. William Reed, mariner to Miss Jane Edwards, of this town, late of Holyhead.

not sure if there is any connection to my Reeds here.

3) In 1840, there was an English ship, registered at South Shields, named WILLIAM REED.
In 1876, there was afloat an American ship named WILLIAM REED.

4) another William Cornish Reed was born in Liverpool

Births Dec 1873  
REED  William Cornish     W. Derby  8b 461    
Marriages Jun 1899   Reed  William Cornish     Liverpool  8b 309    

what is a stewardess?

William John Reed married Lydia H. Hymmen on September 13, 1876 in Detroit Michigan.
Lydia was b May 17 1858 in Berlin, Ontario, Canada. They moved to the U.S. in the late 1800s and naturalized in Lynn, MA in 1907.  All their children were born either in
Canada or Massachusetts.

William John Reed and Helen had a daughter Mary Evelyn Reed b. July 9 1879 d. July 15 1879.  In very light writing, it looks like interred in Anfied, could be Anfield in Liverpool.  If she can be found there, she may be buried with or near more relatives. How can I find that out?

Richard Cornish Reed also moved to the U.S. and died in Andover, Massachusetts. From his obit: "from his youth until he came to Andover, he travelled the sea, first with his  father, who was the captain of a large merchant ship running from England to all parts of the continent and America. At the death of his father (William James) he continued his life at sea with his uncle Capt James Stinson of Bath, Maine, but who spent his last remaining  years in Andover.  At this time, Mr. Reed was left alone to follow the life of a seaman which he did until he rose to captain under the English flag, at which he remained until he moved to Andover many years ago.  He is survived by his wife, Jane Flynn Reed and daughter Annie."
Here is what I've been able to find on Captain James Stinson

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/vitalrecordssearch/VitalRecordsSearch.aspx
Last Name First Name Town Years Volume Page Type
Stinson Elizabeth B. ( Notman ) Andover 1888 391 206 Death
Stinson James H. Andover 1879 310 155 Death

Name: James Huston Stinson
Spouse: Elizabeth Butler Delano
Parents: John Stinson, Hopestill Delano
Birth Place: Woolwich, ME
Birth Date: Nov 1819
Marriage Date: 13 Jan 1856
Death Date: 9 May 1878

unclear exactly how he is the blood or by marriage uncle of Richard and William John.

thanks!
Kathleen

[ainslie]

Kathleen
Welcome to the forum.
Two quick answers:  [1] Anfield is a large cemetery in LIverpool.  This unofficial site will tell you more: http://www.anfieldcemetery.co.uk/
That site gives some links which may interest you, and here is another:
http://liverpool-ancestors.co.uk/index.html.

The burial records are kept at the Liverpool Record Office, currently closed for major works but with some temporary arrangements for viewing material.

[2] A stewardess is a female steward, usually working aboard ship servicing cabins or [less likely] serving at tables.

Toxteth Park was an outlying area now part of the city of Liverpool.  West Derby a larger area wrapping the outskirts of Liverpool, some of which is now in the city, parts remain in other local administrations.

Bedford Street is now within the area covered by much of the University of Liverpool, and a few houses there survive.

St Peter's Church was once the main parish church of the city but was demolished after Liverpool's Anglican Cathedral was conscrated in the 1920s.  St James's was closed for many years but has recently been reopened.  St. Philip's closed and was demolished around 1882.  The registers of these are all at the Liverpool Record Office [see above], mostly accessible on microfilm.

Good luck with your hunting.
Ainslie

[katpac]

Hi Ainslie,

Thank you for the welcome and your reply with the extra information

I ran out of characters with my first post, but I also saw in the
1871 census that at the Crown Inn on 74 Gloucestor Street in Liverpool are enumerated:
Mary A. Reed, age 54, boarder and stewardess (hence my question about that occupation in that time)
Richard C., age 26, mariner
William J, age 16, do (is that notation for ditto?)

Is the "Crown Inn" still there? Know anything more about that place?

I am guessing that William James had died by 1871 if Mary was working, but who knows?

thanks! Kathleen

[ainslie]

Kathleen
I think that Gloucester Street was close to the main Lime Street railway station, and if anything remains, it is probably only the street name.  Enlargements of the station over the years will have done away with the Crown Inn -I could not find it in a list dated 1909.
There is a Victorian era pub of that name nearby, in Lime Street itself.
'do' is a common form of ditto.
A

[katpac]

My updates are in brackets. From Original Post:
My 2x GR GF Capt. William John Reed was born November 20, 1854 in Liverpool, England. Died
August 21, 1928 in Charlestown, Massachusetts, USA (at merchant marine hospital) and was buried in Andover, MA. 
 
His mother was Mary Ann Cornish b. 1817 census says born North Shield, Northumberland d. 1894 in Andover, MA.  Her father was Richard Cornish and her mother was Ann Morgan. Mary Ann's burial record says parents were both born in Wales.

William John's father was William James Reed/Reade/Reid b. abt 1815 d. unknown
a Master Mariner.

[I now have some death info for my 3x GR GF William Reed
15 April 1858
The Will of William Reed late of Liverpool in the County of Lancaster Master Mariner in the Merchant Service deceased who died 14 Dec 1857 at Sea was proved at Liverpool by the oath of Mary Ann Reed of 16 Upper Stanhope-street Toxteth Park Liverpool aforesaid Widow the Relict and the sole Executrix.

Am searching for more info on the circumstances that led to his death at Sea, what ship,
and if he did indeed die (or just disappear and start a new life, etc.)

[Located William Reed/Mary Ann's marriage on Ancestry.com. Apparently it was 2nd marriage for both - listed as widower/widow
Marriage to William Reed, Master Mariner 1844 18 Aug
Toxteth Park, St John the Baptist, Lancashire, England
his father listed as William Reed, farmer
her father listed as Thomas (not Richard) Cornish, Mariner

Do not know William Reed's first wife, what happened to her, or if they had children.

[Mary Ann Cornish's first marriage was:
Gilbert Tait, 1836 24 Jan
Toxteth Park, St John the Baptist, Lancashire, England
Witnesses: Elizabeth Cornish and hard to read but possibly Richard Cornish
I don't know what happened to Gilbert or if children from that union.

William Reed and Mary Ann Cornish's children were:
 
Richard Cornish Reed was b July 14, 1845 in Liverpool, England, d March 4 1914
Annie b. abt 1849 and Maria b. abt 1850. 
1851 census they were listed on a Toxteth Park/Lancashire UK census with Mary Ann as head, Richard age 5, Maria age 3 and Annie age 1. 

William James Reed and Mary Ann Cornish also had a son June, 1852 (freeBMD index) who died
Source: Liverpool Mercury, 13 Dec. 1853 "DEATHS. ... Nov. 25th, aged 19 months, William Cornish, son of Captain William Reed, Bedford-street, Toxteth-park."

Baptism: 31 Jul 1845 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard Cornish Reade - [Child] of William Reade & Mary Anne
    Born: 14 Jul 1845
    Abode: Beford Street
    Occupation: Master Mariner
    Baptised by: J H Stafford Off.'s Min's
    Register: Baptisms 1844 -1846, Page 228, Entry 1817
    Source: LDS Film 93884
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-Central/stpeter/baptisms_1845.html

William James, Richard, and William John were all sea captains.
To add to the mix, the following may be leads or just coincidence:

Another William Cornish Reed was born in Liverpool (I think this might have been the son of Richard Cornish Reed and Hester Ward)
Marriage to Hester Ward
1872 23 Nov
Fairfield St John The Divine, Lancashire

Births Dec 1873 
REED  William Cornish     W. Derby  8b 461   
Marriages Jun 1899   Reed  William Cornish     Liverpool  8b 309   

My 2x GR Grandfather William John Reed married Lydia H. Hymmen on September 13, 1876 in Detroit Michigan. Lydia was b May 17 1858 in Berlin, Ontario, Canada. They moved to the U.S. in the late 1800s and naturalized in Lynn, MA in 1907.  All their children were born either in Canada or Massachusetts.

Richard Cornish Reed also moved to the U.S. and died in Andover, Massachusetts. From his obit: "from his youth until he came to Andover, he travelled the sea, first with his father, who was the captain of a large merchant ship running from England to all parts of the continent and America. At the death of his father (William James) he continued his life at sea with his uncle Capt James Stinson of Bath, Maine, but who spent his last remaining years in Andover. 

[I think his wife Jane's maiden name was Gray not Flynn]

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/vitalrecordssearch/VitalRecordsSearch.aspx
Stinson Elizabeth B. (Notman) Andover 1888 391 206 Death
Stinson James Huston Andover 1879 310 155 Death

[Now know relationship of the Reed's to the Stinson's:
Parents of Mary Ann Cornish were Richard/Thomas Cornish and Ann Morgan.
Ann Morgan (my 4x GR GM) had a marriage after Cornish (don't know what happened to him). She married John Nutman/Nutmen.

Marriage to John Nutman
1821 20 May or 25 May
St. Hilda's Church, South Shields, Durham, England
name listed was Ann Cornish, so marriage #2 (first husband Richard Cornish, maiden Morgan) 
Daughter, Elizabeth Butler Nutman b. 1823. She married 2 Stinson brothers, both Mariners born in Maine (first died at sea).

thanks! Kathleen