Greensleeves Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[deb usa]

Googling found this ...Google Books

History, directory, and gazetteer, of the counties of Durham and ....
Hartlepool

Directory:
Robert Shadforth: sexton and Governor of the Workhouse, Friary
Wm Shadforth: Farmer of the Mayor's tolls and Constable, Southgate street

list of inhabitants by trade:

Academies:
Michl Shadforth (day) St Mary's Street

Boot and Shoemakers:
Charles Shadforth, Northgate Street

Hairdresssers:
Thomas Shadforth, Northgate Street

ummmmmm are they all related to Robert?


 

[deb usa]

thinking out loud here:

William Shadforth was bapt s/o Robert Shadforth and wife Alice
then buried as William Shadforth illegit son of Alice.

If Robert knows he's illegitimate could he have not had buried William as "William with Alice's Maiden name" ...?? after all, William would not be a Shadforth, unless he is a Shadforth from one of Robert's brother's.

am I making sense?

deb 

[Greensleeves]

Oh thanks everyone for being so busy in my absence!

Regarding the witness to Robert Jnr and Alice's wedding, WILLIAM BURRELL:

It has been suggested that Alice might have been married previously to WILLIAM LAWS - the entries (cited previously)  are thus:

24 Aug 1774 William Laws married  Alice Burrel, St Hilda's Church, Hartlepool
Witnesses: Robert Shadforth, Jane Hastings

12 Feb 1776 Burial: William Laws, taylor (sic), St Hilda's Church, Hartlepool

Now, I have estimated that at this time Robert Shadforth Junior would have been about 16 yrs old, so presumably the witness to this wedding was Robert Shadforth Senior.

Now, if this is our Alice, ALICE BURRELL,, there are records of two baptisms at appropriate times for her and possibly her brother, both at St Hilda's:

19 Sep 1748 Alice Burrell daughter of Robert Burrell
10 Jun 1753  William Burrell son of Robert Burrell

So taking Trees' suggestion to look at the witnesses to the marriage of Robert Jnr and Alice, it could well be that WILLIAM BURRELL was Alice's brother.  So far I can't find Ann Coulson though.

[Greensleeves]

Here is another interesting little snippet for you:

Robert Shadforth Senior's third wife was Margaret Hett.  Their  son, WILLIAM HETT SHADFORTH (born 1767 and half-brother to Robert Jnr) married ANN WHITTINGHAM at Billingham on 18 Jun 1789.  ANN is the sister of MARY WHITTINGHAM, the second wife of Robert Shadforth Junior.

[Greensleeves]

Thanks for all the stuff you have unearthed Deb - I will check it out and report back! 

[Lydart]

(Just book-marking ... I have Law/Laws in Durham so am interested !)

[Greensleeves]

(Just book-marking ... I have Law/Laws in Durham so am interested !)

Oooh, how interesting, Lydart!

[nigelp]

Hi Greensleeves,

I have only just read this thread and in view of its length I may have missed something.

Was Robert (Jr) only the "father" of William and Thomas or were there other children? Is there anything unusual about the wording of the baptism for Thomas?

I'm wondering whether there is any possibility that Robert (Jr) might not have been capable of being a father.

Nigel

[toni*]

picking up on whats already been said if a child was born out of wedlock they were illegitimate if the parents subsequently married the child became legitimate UNLESS one of the parents was married to a third party at time of conception OR if the father was married to the mothers sister who died and vice versa if the mother was married to the husbands brother who died thus the child would always be illegitimate not always a problem unless they were due to inherit it only became a problem when other people had to pay towards the upkeep of the child if the mother was unable to support it herself financially sometimes extended family would help out