Why go to Southampton in 1847?

[BuddysMummy]

t 2 Below Bar?

Just to help you with your "Below Bar" query...

In the centre of town there is a Bar gate. The road above that (to the north, I am pretty sure) is called Above Bar, the road below it is called Below Bar. It is mainly a shopping area now. I wonder if it always was, or perhaps she was a shopgirl of some sort??

Otherwise, not much idea of why they moved.

[bearkat]

Southampton Street Directories are online 

http://www.plimsoll.org/Southampton/streetdirectories/default.asp

They are really useful for placing people between the census.  The limitation is that only the householder is listed.


The 1847 James BEATTY was living at 4 Prospect Place, Southampton.
In 1849 Adam AYSCOUGH lived there.

It would be worth checking to see where these two people are in 1851.

[bearkat]

I can't see Adam AYSCOUGH - I may have jumped to conclusions.  The entry actually says Adm wich I assumed to be Adam but it could be an abbreviation for Admiral.    AYSCOUGH seems to be a Lincolnshire name.

There is a James BEATTY, a civil engineer born Ireland, living in Shirley, Southampton with a couple of servants.

So not a lot of help really 

[JillJ]

I tend to think the moves could be related to occupation.  'Servant' can cover a multitude of occupations, such as groom, coachman, valet, gardener etc. and it could be that the occupation of his employer is more relevant than his own. 

It would be interesting to know who was living at 4 Prospect Place in 1847, although I don't know how you will find out!  If John was just lodging there it won't be relevant, but if he was resident in the house where his employer lived it could be.

As you said, Southampton is a port and whilst I think if they'd gone to America they would be more likely to have gone from say Liverpool, Southampton could be relevant to the occupation of John's employer; maybe he was a merchant of some kind?

Good luck.

Jill

Oops!  Above posts and mine all crossed!

[KGarrad]

James Beatty, of Inniskillen, was a Railway Civil Engineer.

1842 employed on the Norwich & Lowestoft line.
1853 Nova Scotia.
1854 Grand Crimea Central Railway

died 1856

Not sure what other lines he worked on between 1842 and 1853.

[groom]

I don't know if this is a red herring but

1851  HO107/1670/513/16
Ankerwick House. Millbrook, Shirley, Hants.  (Shirley is the west part of Southampton I believe)

James Beatty 30 Civil Engineer born Ireland
plus wife and daughter and 3 servants.

In 1841 HO 107/604/book 7 Folio 9 page 10

There is a James Beatty aged 20 born Ireland living at Humberstone Gate, St Margaret, Leicestershire. I can't make out his occupation.

I wonder if John worked for him and went with him to Southampton?

Jan

Added: Looks like the man KGarrad found

[bearkat]

groom, that may be the best lead we're going to find.

There won't be any employment records.

[Helen Mary]

Thanks.

What a lot of wonderful information you have found. 

Bearkat the website of street directories is good and  also has photos on it. I noticed that the railway between Southampton and London opened in 1840 and the connection between the Southampton docks and  Town Quay opened in 1847 so  it  may be possible to assume that is why James Beatty was there.

I need to go searching more in the 1841 and 1851 census to find everyone.
Will let you know what happens

Helen

[Helen Mary]

I now have a copy of the 1841 census of James Beatty, he seems to have a servant!!! aged 20 ? of the county (leics) - this may be a dead end on finding out.

But out of interest if the it was Admiral Ayscough who owned 4 prospect place in 1849 he had entered the Navy and was made a Lt in 1793 and by 1847 R Adm R; 1849 V Adm B; 1851 V Adm W. There is also a painting of him!! (but not on the internet).

If nothing is proved and only supposition it has been very interesting  finding other  places to research  and get data from.

Also Prospect place was situated on the east side of Above Bar Street set back form the road.

I will keep looking for John Jarvis and Elizabeth Duffin in 1841


Helen