Prudhoe Street/Place, Newcastle 1881

[scotty151]

Thank you Tracy for taking the time to search. In the absence of any other information, William Pender is certainly a possibility.
I wonder however, as he was a Third Engineer on a ship in Liverpool on the 3rd April 1881, would he have been given leave to go to Newcastle to get married on 9th April 1881? Would he have had to waited until the ship returned to Tyneside? Perhaps he caught the train? I wonder if I will ever know!!

I really appreciate your input into my search.

Kevin

[Michael Dixon]

 Kevin,

 In which church did William and Margaret marry ?

 You write that Margaret's father, William James Scott died in 1870 and his widow, his second wife, "not Margaret's mother", married his brother Robert Scott. On the 1881 census Robert and Isabella are married with Margaret in their household. If Isabella, who was wife with William J Scott on 1861 census
( 3814-11-16), with 4 yr old Margaret in their h/h, is not Margaret's mother, who was ?

Although the Margaret spouse at the 1881 marriage named Robert Scott as her dad, the Margaret Render (nee Scott) on the censuses named her ?first son Thomas James- after her natural father ?

This is just a trivia bit- hopefully not to mislead !.   In my memory of not too long ago, there was a similar puzzle about a couple marrying, naming their address/es like Prudhoe Place/Street, but belonging elsewhere ?


Michael

[scotty151]

Hello Michael,

William Render & Margaret Ann Scott married at Newcastle upon Tyne Register Office on 9th April 1881. I did notice that they named their first born William James Render, possibly after Margaret's true father.

This is quite a complicated family, but I will try my best to explain them!

William James Scott (born c.1834, Norham NBL) & Robert Scott (born c.1836, Scremerston NBL) were the sons of James Scott & Eleanor Wilson (married 4 June 1820, Chillingham NBL).
At the time of the 1851 census both brothers were with their parents at Bells Hill, Adderstone NBL, but by 1861 the family had moved south to Newcastle upon Tyne.

William James Scott married bet 1851-1855, but I cannot trace this marriage. There were two children - Ellenor c.1855 & Margaret Ann c.1857 (the subject of my query).
His first wife died and on 9 April 1860, William James Scott (widower) married Isabel Turpin at St. John's, Newcastle. Hence by the 1861 census , William J. Scott was married, but the two children were from his first wife.
William James Scott died June Qtr 1870 in Newcastle.

Robert Scott married Ann Kennedy at Newcastle Register Office on 18 Feb 1856. They had seven children, before Ann died on 26 Dec 1870 in Gateshead.

At the 1871 census, Isabella Scott (widow of William) was living at 89 Blandford Street, Newcastle with Margaret, 12 (daughter of William Scott& ?)
Ann Scott, 2, (her own daughter with William Scott)
plus five nephews & nieces - the children of Robert Scott & Ann Kennedy.

On 28 Dec 1874 at Newcastle Register Office, Isabella Scott (widow of William James Scott) married her brother-in-law, Robert Scott (widower).
So by the 1881 census it is a very mixed family who were living at 106 Corbridge Street, Byker.
Margaret A. Scott, 24, is recorded as daughter of Robert & Isabella, when in fact she was actually daughter of neither! She then names Robert Scott as her father at her marriage to William Render, six days after the census was taken. Which brings me back to my original query as to why she gives her address as 31 Prudhoe Street at the marriage?

Sorry for such a long winded reply, but I hope you now have a better picture of this complicated family.

Regards,
Kevin
PS. Robert Scott was my gg grandfather.

[Mr. Tibbs]

Couiold it be that you had to have a city of Newcastle address in order to marry at Newcastle Registry Office?

[Michael Dixon]

 Good thinking Mr Tibbs, but Byker also lay within the jurisdiction of Newcastle Registration District.  Michael

[Mr. Tibbs]

Thanks Michael.  Next thought: my husband has an ancestor who lived in the workhouse as a child.  When she started work her address was Prudhoe Street.  Could there have been hostels there and the intending to marry couple stayed there overnight before their marriage in order to avoid travelling on the day they married - and a hostel would be cheaper than a hotel? 

[WolfieSmith]

William Render was living at 3 Prudhoe Place in 1871 census. Maybe Margaret had lived at 31 Prudhoe St. earlier and considered it "home". Not there in 1871.
Alan.

[WolfieSmith]

My mistake. He's living at 3 Porters Yard in 1871. The previous house is 14 Porters Yard, the next house is 2 Prudhoe Place, then 4 Prudhoe Place.
His parents are still living at 3 Porters Yard in 1881.
Alan.

[scotty151]

Thank you all for your help in finding an answer to my query.
Another SCOTT researcher has come up with a connection between Margaret Ann Scott & 31 Prudhoe Street, Newcastle.

Joseph Sessford and family were living at this address in 1881 (just days before Margaret Ann's marriage to William Render). Joseph Sessford was a witness at the second marriage of Margaret's father, William James Scott to Isabel Turpin in 1860.
Perhaps there is some family connection, yet undiscovered, to the Sessfords or they may just have been family friends with whom Margaret stayed on occasions.
We may never know....

Kevin