Can you search for house number and road in 1861?

[Bryant]

1841 census
Alie Street, Great, St Mary Whitechapel, Tower HamletsLondon, Middx 
William Crocker.......36.........chronometer maker.............no   
Susannah..."...........36.....................................................no   
William........".............5.....................................................Middlesex
Robert........"............18 months........................................Middlesex
Fredrick.......".............7 months........................................Middlesex
James........."............20.......chronometer maker J............no   
Ebenezer...."............15...........Ass/Aps?..........................no
Ass/Aps = assistant/apprentice   
plus other people not of the name
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Bryant

[jennifer c]

Could be some connection, Frederick was bapt. Frederick Joel in 1841 .

Jennifer

[astral14]

"William Henry Crocker is recorded as having a business between 1838 and 1867:-
41 Rahere Street, Clerkenwell between 1838 and 1849
34 Great Alice Street 1841 – 1845 and also 1856 – 1867
70 Leman Street 1847 – 1849
106 Leman Street in 1851
He is described as a watch, clock and chronometer maker and clearly had a fairly extensive business." (Info from Antiquarian Horological Society).

If he had 2 other sons - one aged 20 in 1841 - that puts his birth to about 1804-5 and he would have had his son aged about 16!! He started young then.

There is a marriage of William Henry Crocker to Susanna Bedding at St George's, Hanover in 1833. This seems likely, although not for James and Ebenezer!

Thanks for all this!

[astral14]

And the plot still thickens. IGI records a birth of Ebenezer Crocker in 1825 to a William and Henrietta in Holborn (right place).
There is a marriage of a William Crocker to a Henrietta Collins on 27 Oct 1816 at St Anne's, Soho but he would have been very young!!!

[astral14]

I also found years ago a reference to another James Crocker born 1800 in Milford on Sea, another watchmaker.
He does have a son, James born about 1820 born Hornsey, Middx or Milford according to various censuses who is also a watchmaker/ thermometer (I think they mean chromoneter) maker. He has a brother, Edward, born 1825, also a watchmaker. They seem to be the Crocker Brothers of Brook Street, Kingston. There is also a son, Samuel and others.
I think that the James, 1800, is probably William Henry's brother but it is pure speculation!

I must order some birth certificates!

[Bryant]

As stated before...

1875
William Henry Cornell marries Sarah Cornell (daughter of Susan Caroline Smith's sister) in the Sep qtr 1875 Marylebone...I wonder if the witnesses were the "ex wives"  

I gather this is he and not his son....one being too young and the other too old! .......in 1851 he states he is 50 years old, 30 years later he is 60
I don't think I would have been inclined to buy one of his watches
 
1881 census
24, Charlotte St, St Marylebone, London, Middlesex
William H Crocker...Head....60...Chronometer Maker.....Milford, Hampshire
Sarah............"........Wife.....36.......................................Ashdown, Essex
Harry R.........."........Son........5.......................................Marylebone, Middlesex
Richard R......."........Son........3.......................................Marylebone, Middlesex
Maud R..........".......Daur........1......................................Marylebone, Middlesex
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So you think this is the culprit and I think that his wife definitely knows whats going on!

Susannah declares she is a wife but doesn't put mar (married) in the condition section and as an afterthought a large W is then inputted in that section by someone, probably the enumerator?....Susannah is no fool.........

1871 census
Alie Street, Great, St Mary Whitechapel, London, Middx
Susannah Crocker......Wife.......60 W......................Bucklesbury, Berkshire
Robert............"...........Son........29...watchmaker.......................Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Ferris David Porter...Boarder.....16....clerk c......................Whitechapel, Middlesex
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1861 census
34 Great Alie Street, Whitechapel, London, Middlesex
William H Crocker....Head....52...Chronometer Maker....Milford, Hampshire
Susannah......."........Wife....52.......................................Bucklebury, Berkshire
Robert............".........Son.....21....Watch Maker..............St Luke, Middlesex
Frederick........".........Son.....20...Clerk Stationer............Whitechapel, Middlesex
Ferris? Porter.............Visitor....7.......................................Stepney, Middlesex
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1851 census
58 Mansell Street, Saint Mary Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets, London, Middx
William Hen Crocker....Head....50....Chronometer Maker........Hants
Susannah.........".........Wife......43...........................................Bucklesbury
William Henry....".........Son.......14........Scholar.......................Trinity Minoris
Robert...............".........Son.......11........Scholar.......................St Lukes
Frederick...........".........Son.......10........Scholar.......................Whitechapel
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Bryant

1841 census
Alie Street, Great, St Mary Whitechapel, Tower HamletsLondon, Middx
William Crocker.......36.........chronometer maker.............no
Susannah..."...........36.....................................................no
William........".............5.....................................................Middlesex
Robert........"............18 months........................................Middlesex
Fredrick.......".............7 months........................................Middlesex
James........."............20.......chronometer maker J............no
Ebenezer...."............15...........Ass/Aps?..........................no
Ass/Aps = assistant/apprentice
plus other people not of the name
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Bryant

Bryant

[astral14]

LOL - no, Susanna was dead by then but it seems rich, if what we surmise is correct, that he chose not to marry Susan but her neice and then embark upon a young family with her. Interestingly their middle name is 'Ratcliffe' or 'Radcliffe'. This could either be a reference to Ratcliffe Street or the district in that part of London or could be some kind of weird homage to Dr Henry Radcliffe Crocker, the famous Victorian dermatologist who treated cases of acne agumenta. Maybe they felt that the name confusion would help with upwardly mobile aspirations.
I am kind of impressed that this man was virile for so young and obviously altered his age to suit the occasion - he can't have looked his age! My father is now a fairly sprightly 86, so maybe it's in the genes, lol.

Re the watches/ clocks - what one gleans is that he was successful in business. Chronometer making was a skilled art and above that of normal clock and watchmakers. Such items would be very valuable today. If he worked for Sir John Bennett, who also had a mistress and a large second family, I gather, then he would have been good.
I must order some certificates - as you say, the Sarah Cornell/ William Crocker marriage one could be interesting!

[astral14]

William Henry Crocker, the son, born 1837, seems to have become a cheesemonger and married a Mary Ann ?
Cheesemonger:
12 Argyle Street, West Ham, Essex
Death - Dec 1895 - West Ham 4a 103

He has at least 5 children: Amy Maryon; Susannah Frederica; Ernest Henry; Grace Violet and Beatrice Josephine.
Susanna married a William John G Chuck in 1900; Ernest Henry married Ethel Plummer and had Sydney R and Arthur S; Beatrice married Frank Wilberforce Varley and Grace married William James Humerston.

In his new marriage to Sarah Cornell, of the 4 children, I found 1 marriage of Mabel Radcliffe Crocker to Herbert Thomas Stonehewer in 1904. He was of 426 Upper Richmond Road East Sheen SRY. They had at least 1 child - Mabel Edna Stonehewer who died in 1996. She was born in 1905.

There have to be some descendants out there!!

[nigelp]

There is a marriage of William Henry Crocker to Susanna Bedding at St George's, Hanover in 1833. This seems likely, although not for James and Ebenezer!

And the plot still thickens. IGI records a birth of Ebenezer Crocker in 1825 to a William and Henrietta in Holborn (right place).
There is a marriage of a William Crocker to a Henrietta Collins on 27 Oct 1816 at St Anne's, Soho but he would have been very young!!!

James and Ebenezer are almost certainly not his sons. They appear after William Henry's children and are not born in the county according to the 1841 Census. Perhaps they were born in Hampshire and are younger brothers or nephews.

Ebenezer, who is the son of William and Henrietta is with these parents in 1851 (HO107; Piece: 1645; Folio: 836; Page: 18). This William was born in Cornwall and is a Minister of a ? Chapel.

Nigel