Can you search for house number and road in 1861?

[jennifer c]

Hi, Rutland Street Mile End is listed as missing on the 1861 census street index.

Jennifer

[teaurn]

It came up just the once when I searched and saw two families at no 30 but it isn't coming up again

[astral14]

Just out of interest where have you got them altogether.

There is a possibility that Joel was born after the census.

I have found a possible with just Susan and Walter no sign of Edmund

Where are they, please?

Sorry - I did a long post thanking everyone and it has disappeared. The Crockers appear on 'My elusive Crockers' thread and they do indeed appear in 1871 with the father, Samuel C Crocker, who never appears again. My gggrandfather was Maurice Crocker but there is no birth record or other data. Samuel has no other data and irritatingly, Maurice lists his father on his marriage certificate, which arrived today, as Edward Crocker. The 1871 census is the only one in which Samuel appears - he was a chronometer/ watchmaker - as was William Henry Crocker who only disappears in the 1871 census. He also seems to have married Susan's neice! (Susan was Susan Caroline Smith b abt 1823 Saffron Walden. Her sister, Mary Smith married Joshua Cornell/ Carnall and I think it was their daughter, Sarah, who married William Henry Crocker, who was a lot older.
My thought, with the help of kind Rootchatters is that Susan was never married and that the children assumed the name of Crocker but would have been listed as something else in 1861. In 1851 Susan is an unmarried servant but I do not know who she was working fro. Maybe she used their name!...
Any thoughts?
Thanks again

[nigelp]

There is an earlier thread regarding Samuel Crocker:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,478875.0.html

Nigel

[maidmarianoops]

1861
morrison family
deady family
living at
30 rutland st
 haggerston west shoreditch
do these names ring bells


sylvia

[Valda]

Hi


Rutland Street Mile End Old Town as Jennifer says is missing from the 1861 census as are lots of other streets and whole areas in London - the census returns for these streets/areas are lost.

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Mile_End_Old_Town_Registration_District,_1861_Census_Street_Index_P-R


Regards

Valda

[astral14]

Thanks, Maidmarianoops - unfortunately, no, they don't ring bells!
Thanks for all of this. I suppose if the census details are lost, they could have been there, even under the name of Crocker but the details do not remain!
Many thanks to all, tough

have a great New Year!

[astral14]

Sorry - 'tough', should read 'though'!!!

[Bryant]

Sometimes you need a bit of clarity....especially for slow people like me!

You are looking for this lot in any form prior to 1871 is that correct?

1881 census
7, Caves Terrace, Hammersmith, Fulham, Middlesex
Susan C Crocker...Wife...55..Chronometer Makers Wife....Saffron Walden, Essex
Walter J......".........Son...23.Comedian Unemployed  Stepney, Middx
Edmond......".........Son...21...Draughtsman (Litho) Unemployed Mile End, Middlesex
Marie.........."........Daur...18...Chronometer Makers Daur...Mile  End, Middlesex
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1871 census
Rutland St, Stepney, Mile End Old Town, Stepney, London, Middlesex
Samul C Crocker.....Head....60....watchmaker..................Mitford, Herts
Susan C........."........Wife....48.........................................Saffron Walden, Essex
Walter............"........Son.....16..electric telegraph student...Mile End, Middlesex
Edmund.........."........Son.....13.............................................Mile End, Middlesex Mary..............."........Daur....11.............................................Mile End, Middlesex Joel................".........Son.....10..............................................Mile End, Middlesex Morris.............".........Son......8...............................................Mile End, Middlesex
Mary Cornell....Wife's Sister..45.wid..................................Saffron Walden, Essex
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1851 census
Wills Alley, Saffron Walden, Essex
William Cornell........Head....22...........Ag Labr.....................Ashdon, Essex
Mary Ann...."...........Wife.....25............................................Ashdon, Essex
John Smith..............Son.......5..............................................Ashdon, Essex
Josiah Cornell...........Son.....2..............................................Ashdon, Essex
Alfred Cornell............Son.....1 week.....................................Walden, Essex
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Bryant