The Old Telegraph, Llaneilian

[longbow]

Any info gratefully received re the familes who previously occupied it.

Built 1841 as an optical / viaual semaphore / telegraph for Liverpool Docks & Harbour Company.

Only hames we have are Hughes in 19c and Pritchard 19c & 20c.

Many thanks.

[wilcoxon]

It might take a while but here is a start.

1841
Telegraph
Griffith Michael 55 signal man b Y
John Michael 20 ag lab b Y
Elinor Michael 25 b Y
Jane  Michael 15 b Y
Catherine Michael  b Y

1851
Telegraph
Griffith Michael head widower 68 telegraph signal man b Amlwch
Jane Hughes dau 25 b Llaneilian
Richard Hughes son in law 40 bricklayer b Penrhoslligwy

1861
Telegraph station
Richard Roberts 32 telegraph keeper b Holyhead
Elizabeth wife 21 b Amlwch
Elizabeth dau 11 months b Llaneilian
Susannah Foulks 19 house servant b Liverpool
Morris Griffiths lodger 61 ? telegraph assistant  b Llandulas . Denbs


1871
Lynas Telegraph
Richard Roberts 42 telegraph keeper
Elizabeth wife 31 b Amlwch
Elizabeth dau 10
Ann dau 8
Hugh son 4
Cathrine dau 1
Ann Thomas 15 servant b Llaneilian

[wilcoxon]

  All these are the children all born Laneilian. Seems like Richard didn`t have a very busy job.

1881 Point Lynas Telegraph

Richard Roberts 52 Telegraph Keeper
Elizabeth Roberts  wife 41
Elizabeth Roberts 20
Anne Roberts 18
Mary Roberts 16
Hugh Roberts 14
Catherine Roberts 11
Jane M. Roberts 7
John R. H. Roberts 6
Robert W. Roberts 5
Hannah E. Roberts 3
Grace Roberts 1

[wilcoxon]

 1891 more than one families.

Point Lynas Lighthouse East cottage
Maurie Beynon 31 lightkeeper b St Davids Pembroke
Elizabeth Beynon 39 wife b Llandegla Denbs
James L Beynon 5 son b Point Lynas
Sarah W Beynon 3 dau b "
Gertrude M Beynon  dau 7months b "

Point Lynas Lighthouse
Keepers dwelling , All Roberts are Richards children and the young Hughes are his grandchildren

Richard Roberts 62 light keeper
Elizabeth Roberts 51
Annie Roberts 28
Mary Roberts 26
Catherine F Roberts 21
Hannah E Roberts 16
Grace Roberts 11
Richard Roberts 7
Elizabeth Hughes 30 dau married
Elizabeth A Hughes 6 grand dau
Jane M Hughes 6
Mary L Hughes 3
Grace E Hughes 5/12

Point Lynas West Cottage

Charles Stanford 38 light keeper b Brighton Sussex
Ann E Stanford 38 wife b Oswestry
Mary J Stanford 13 dau b Liverpool
Charles Stanford 9 son "
Ellen S Stanford 7 dau "
Emma A Stanford 5 dau b Llaneilian
James H Stanford 11 months son b "
 
 
 

[ScouseBoy]

If you are ever able to take a trip to Liverpool then go to the Maritime Museum at the Albert Dock.   They have an archives/reference library, but check opening hours before you go.  They would probably have the MD&HB  records for the telegrah sites.

They  may be able to answer you by phone or E-mail. Google Maritime Museum  Liverpool.

[wilcoxon]

1901
Lynas Point ,
 
William Kaney 57 Principal lighthouse and telegraph keeper b Portsmouth
Ellen Kaney 41 wife b Liverpool
Rose Kaney 17 dau b New Brighton Cheshire
Albert Kaney 13 son b Hoylake
John Kaney 9 son b "

Lynas Point

Charles Stanford 48 lighthouse and telegraph keeper
Ann Elizabeth Stanford 48
Eleanor Susan Stanford 17
Emma Ann Stanford 15
James Henry Stanford 10
John Harold Stanford 7

Lynas Point

Robert Eccles 34 light keeper and telegraph b Hoylake
Elizabeth Eccles 30 wife b Ramsey Ise of Man
Edith A Eccles 6 dau b Holyhead
Elizabeth Eccles 3 dau b Llaneilian
Robert Eccles 2 son b "
Jane Hughes 13 servant b "
 
 
 

[wilcoxon]

Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Friday, April 11, 1828

 There is an article in this issue that mentions ` most useful and recently established communication between this port and Holyhead by telegraph `

This suggests a station was in use much earlier than 1841

Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Friday, April 9, 1830
There is a letter in this issue which is much to long to copy, from a R J Morrison Leuit R N in which he states he is the inventor of the commercial telegraph, he also seems to be ` having a go` at a Mr Watson over a matter relating to use of the telegraph.
To be honest , it`s very difficult to understand the whole story, but they certainly didn`t have a good opinion of each other 

The Morning Post (London, England), Thursday, January 01, 1835
Liverpool , The day throughout has been much too thick and foggy to permit any communication passsing through to Holyhead from this station.

[wilcoxon]

DOCK COMMITTEE .
Liverpool Mercury etc (Liverpool, England), Friday, March 26, 1852

John Michael was appointed assistant at the Point Lynas telegraph station

By 1861 John Michael  was working as a copper miner , and living at `Pensarn`  Llanwenllwyfo

[longbow]

Hi Wil,
Thats fantastic!
You have achieved in a short time what I have failed to reveal in many attempts on the net, emails, phone calls etc.

In fact, you have covered the entire telegraphy history of both the (our) ("Point Lynas Telegraph") Old Telegraph on the mountain & that of the lighthouse telegraph below (post 1860 ish). Your re-employment of the keeper > miner fits the dates well.


That is very interesting re the early dates. We have come to suspect that there was a wooden 'hut' on the site for early tests / use. It has even been suggested by an archaeologist that there was a Roman signal station there or close by.

With regards Watson, his was the earliest telegraph system - using poles with arms - each pattern being given a code letter -- later to become the International Code of Signals for shipping (basically still in use). Watson is reputed to have made good £ on his invention!

After the station was redundant, the structures were removed & a sloping roof placed over the flat roof.

Please can you send me any links to the newspapers?

Cheers, Andy.