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[polarbear]

My goodness, stomper, how did you make a connection between Cardwell and New Brunswick?

This is Robert with the McPheeters (what an unusual name) in the 1901 Census (link below). Cardwell district is near Orangeville, Ontario where Robert's first 2 children were born and I think he married there too? And, although the year of birth differs from the CEF form (I gave a possible reason earlier) there is only 1 day different in the actual date. It also says born Ontario but the info given is only as good as the person reporting might sometimes guess. Robert was young enough when he came to Canada to have lost any British accent and Duncan may just have assumed Robert came from Ontario if he didn't actually ask him.
Appears to me that this is probably the Robert who will shortly marry Hannah Anthony and join the CEF. Robert is a Domestic so w/b employed by Mr McPheeters as a farm hand. The Scotch origin may just have been assumed also since it matches the McPheeters. (I will hunt for an Ontario birth of a Robert Welsh/Welch anyway, just in case)

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=32888

Roll on 1921 Census .... it will hopefully be a big help with Robert.

Polarbear

[Sal1525]

Hi,
You two are fantastic . Yes, I am way behind you, but I will catch up, honestly.

I will follow through PB with the advice you have given for Edward, Smiths Falls comes from the chap I had 2 mails with on Ancestry, he didn`t know any more as it was a very distant, distant link to his tree. And I haven`t been able to contact him since.
I have been looking at each link as they are posted, honestly, but as so much new info was coming through I wasn`t able to take it all in, (digestion problems now sorted,) but absolutely over the moon with all the findings, Thankyou.
I began a thread yesterday on the West Yorkshire look-up board, to try and find Robert snrs birth. I have a thread on the Leics look-up board for his death and Elizabeths birth, .
And I shall be looking to order Attestation Papers for Robert and Elijah, as you said JJ, next week, allowing myself time to catch up, and make sure that I have the right people before doing so.

So, did I come across the wrong Robert in the census for Cardwell?
I will look at the new links you have both posted, yesterday, this evening, off round my Mums, she is not too well and my partner has the flu.

Jobs---I can well imagine that it was a situation of using people to complete a task and the `Hire m Fire m` Brigade in place, and perhaps having to move round with a job or looking for work. Not forgetting the Depression Era that was to come.
Couldn`t have been easy for anyone of that decade. Need to go now, back later

[Sal1525]

Hi

Polar Bear and JJ-- I have viewed the data for the Home Children voyage link and yes I would say 99% certain that this is the boys. And you have been able to confirm for me of the existence of the Carthaginian Ship. Massive big thankyou to you.
This info confirms Dr Bs letter that the boys travelled together, leaving Liverpool 17 March 1892.
And we, on this thread can now see that John certainly arrived in Canada.
That at least is a starting point.
Viewed the google maps, most interesting, did you note how many places are named King (s)? Much is associated with the name King. Not doing too well with the Toronto Directories, I shall persevere and have another look later.
PB you have come across the 1901 census that I did. via a link here. I feel this Robert is a strong possibility of being mine.  I googled New Brunswick.

I might have a death entry for Robert Snr. About to check it out. St George in the East, London, 1890.
If him, that would tie in with the year that the boys were put into care. 1890
Be back soon

[polarbear]

Just want to clarify that you understand that the 1901 Census image that has Robert with the McPheeters is an entry for Ontario and near Toronto. We are a bit confused in that you keep referring to New Brunswick relative to this entry? As I mentioned earlier, I think Robert in Cardwell district with the McPheeters is probably the one who later married Hannah Anthony.

Have you found how to order military files from the Canadian Archives? If not I will PM the how-to so as not to clutter up the thread. I would start with Robert's.

Polarbear

[Sal1525]

Hello Polar Bear,

I googled Cardwell. That is where the district and sub district in New Brunswick came from, is that wrong info?
I will chase up the info for ordering Army records, next week, and will, more than likely ,get back to you and JJ for advice on what to do.
Really grateful to you both for your helping me.
Be back tomorrow.

[J.J.]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/index.html
Here is a link to the Tweedybird site...I didn't look in there as Nancy was looking, but here is why we need to post what we find, as here's what it says for Keziah & Edward ( have not yet looked thoroughly):

1911 census...same as we had found...
ARNOLD, Edward - 16, domestic,with James & Marion Mitchell Kitley Twp., Leeds Co. (91)sub-district : 10 Pg. 7
b.- England Nov. 1894, emigrated- 1907
ARNOLD, Heziah/Keziah - 10, living with Mary Pollard Manvers, Durham, Ont arr 1910 on SS Tunisian with Dr Barnardos ( mentions DAWSON, Jessie also in household as she is a home child as well)

Dec 1931 entry: Keziah Arnold now Mrs C Randall & 3 children ( use internet explorer to get proper order of listing as I got excited when I saw more but it is not her info)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/dec1931girls.html

Looking at this date of entry as it has the two names of the lad. You have him as Edward Merchant Arnold, where did you find this?  ( not saying yours isn't correct, but what proved it for you?)
S.S. KENSINGTON APR. 11, 1905  ARNOLD, Edward Edwin 13
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/sskensingtonapr1905.html
S.S.Dominion SEPT. 12, 1907  ARNOLD, Elijah  11 
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/ssdominionsep1907.html

here are the 1907 Arnolds, the Edward is the same age as Elijah, but came a different month. I guess it would be a tossup as to which entry is your Edwin/Edward....Having him say 1907 on the census is not reliable as some of these children couldn't often remember their own birthdays let alone their exact date of entry into Canada ( mind you that goes for a lot of immigrants we have found, hehe)
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-110.01-e.php?PHPSESSID=9jml73f64mhokkm32955ccvh77&q1=arnold&q2=&q3=1907

[polarbear]

Thanks for the 'tweedybird' link, J.J.

Stomper, if you go back to the 1901 image link for Robert (above) and go to the top of the transcription page you will see 'ON' in front of 'Cardwell'. ON is for Ontario. And if you blow up the image you will see Ontario written out in full at the top of the page. So there might be a Cardwell in New Brunswick but it is not connected to this census entry. Duncan McPheeters and family are lliving in Ontario and Robert is living with and working for him. Hope this makes sense?

Added: I haven't found an Ontario birth for any Robert Welch/Welsh/Walsh that has a birth date matching the info given by the Robert we have been following.

Polarbear

[J.J.]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tweetybirdgenealogy/newspaperclipcanada.html
( you'd asked about other homes, these came up under Orangeville)
Tuesday, January 8, 1907, The Toronto Star page 4
Boys Homes Orangeville:
The following are the Toronto institutions which, in addition to the Barnardo Home, place boys in homes:
 Boys Home, 339 George Street, ( Now Seaton House which takes in homeless men)
The Fegan Boys Distributing Home, 295 George Street:
Sacred Heart Orphanage, 1749 Queen street West.

295 now, delapidated and in disrepair, but a pretty building at one time! ( several views of it scroll down)
http://www.heritagetoronto.org/building-storeys-photo-exhibit-torontos-aging-spaces

[Sal1525]

Hi,
PB_thankyou, you have straightened the matter of the 1901 census for me.
 
JJ_have visited all the links you have posted, brilliant work both of you, no way would I have discovered all info in such a short time, if at all.

Very good news to learn of Keziah and her 3 children, followed your advice on the internet, but could not pull up details of her kids? am I doing something wrong there?  I see on the tweety site that it states they have a photo? How do we access this, please?

Edward/Edwin used both the names, he was born Edwin Merchant Arnold-19 Nov 1894 _birth cert/ 4 Cross Street, Chatham, Kent.   If he was sent away by his family then he could have dropped the Mothers name Merchant, don`t you think?

I should imagine that he would have been overwhelmed, afraid, excited?? by his situation and travelling with so many strangers, what a confusing time that must have been.
The age for the boy that you found is only 2 years out, and as you quite rightly say, not unusual.
Thankyou very much for the further info on the Homes in Toronto.
I strongly believe that the 1911 census for Keziah and Edward are correct.
I have found details for William George Arnold who left Dr Bs in 1912, he came back to Chatham. And married a Lily Lydia Arnold. They are in the 1901 census with thier kids.
The death found for Robert snr, unsure of, as this Robert D/ 1890 but was born 1858 in London. I shall continue with the search for him.
I have read through the tweety page about the plight of some of the children, in the newspapers, Blimey, how harrowing for them.
Quite simply stunned by your findings. Thankyou