Home Children

[polarbear]

Hi stomper

It is our pleasure to be of assistance and particularly rewarding to be involved in the search for families of Home Children.

I can't answer all your Qs but I expect J.J. will be able help with some of them also.

Re: John

You know for certain where and when he was born. Now then, if we assume that the info given by Clara's John on his CEF form is correct, by subtracting his years of service we get a date of first sign-up of approx 1898-99. Your John w/h been only 12 or 13 at this point (if my math is correct) and I think w/h had to travel back to England. The apparent eldest child belonging to this family, Emily Jane, was born about 1898. Again, your John w/h only been about 12 or 13. John and Clara's children all seem to be correctly registered as Welch in England which basically precludes Clara having had them with another man even though the couple only married after they came to Canada.

You, of course, must make up your own mind about this John but I personally think he is simply too old to be your John, given the information we seem to have about him. His daughter Emily married as 'Walsh' in 1915 at the stated age of 19 (perhaps wasn't quite this old though).

Bouncing screen, will continue later ....

[polarbear]

To answer a few more Qs .....

This link is related to Kitley. You could try contacting the librarian and inquiring about the cemetery. I didn't turn up Le High Cemetery directly using google

http://www.elizabethtown-kitley.on.ca/siteengine/activepage.asp?PageID=32

You can google Glen Elbe Cemetery for info to contact them directly.

Death records in Ontario are protected to about 1936 with a new year added annually.

I believe the 1921 Census will be released in the next year or two and may provide some good info for you.

There are various websites related to Kitley coming up on google .... you might find something of interest among them .... google Kitley Township - too many to list here.

No idea how to change a title .... you could look under 'how to use RootsChat'. J.J. might know or you could PM one of the moderators.

Continuing ...

[polarbear]

Re: Robert

Although the age of Robert in the CEF papers does not quite match what you know about him, it is possible that he lowered his age to be accepted into the army. You do have a good connection between him and the Anthony family with the mutual address of 55 Markham St in Toronto gien by him and Cecil Anthony. I think the correct marriage for him has been found. He does give his father as Robert Welch ... really most unfortunate that he has no mother listed.

If he remained in Canada the 1921 Census will hopefully help with him. Births in Ontario are only available to 1911 at the present with a new year added annually. The 1921 will have additional surviving children. There is no marriage for young Frank available yet but with time, one might appear. Marriages are currently available to 1926 (I think) with a new year added annually.

As with John, it will be up to you to weigh the evidence and decide if he is 'your' Robert.

BTW, did you know that you can order WW1 military files from the Canadian Government?

That's it for now
Polarbear

[J.J.]

I wrote this earlier today, but was not able to get onto rootschat...happening often lately...
Yes, wasn't paying attention to the age of the daughter, their first being born 1898...Seems we must let that search go, and hope some info comes to light on him over the years... As P.B. said he might have been adopted....
 
This information was given you in a previous reply as well:
They are found here as RANDLE  reference number L&G-81-1-1  applies to all in there,
Edward and Keziah Elizabeth  Glen Elbe Cemetery, Leeds (Yonge Rear twnshp)
also Muriel Irene and Thomas Edward ...and also a Jane ARNOLD you may want to inquire about, as the only one other than Keziah's surname cross-reference
http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php
Now write to this address with your inquiry,
  Leeds & Grenville Branch, OGS
  P.O. Box 536
  Brockville, Ontario, Canada.
  Canada   K6V 5V7
inquiries for cemetery lookup are 2.00 each....or free if you ask on the site, I think...

Yes there were several receiving homes in Ontario & other parts of Canada. There was one in Stratford, ( not a Barnados tho) which was one reason that John clicked for me...but thanks to P.B. for setting it straight, I believe we can rule him out, due to the dates of children born...although it was strange to have so many coincidences in common...Never sorry to delve in just in case, though...  J.J.

[Sal1525]

Hello Polar Bear and JJ,
Thankyou wholeheartedly for your input.

Yes, I think we could rule out this John_but no harm in trying, well done to you both.   I have learnt more about the Census and Passenger Lists in Canada-so, not a waste of time.
 In regards to the Welsh children, Johns DOB is the only one , as of yet been proven, backing up Dr B, Liz and the CR/. The other children are a mystery to me at present.
 And, Polar Bear, you are thinking along the same lines as me, with the possibility that John may have returned to England or moved on elsewhere. The possibility of adoption and name change is a big reality here, but I will keep the data found and file it away. And I had not considered the idea that Clara`s children might not be his, so that is on hold for the moment.

I think that you have found the right info for Robert, Elijah and Keziah and thier respective marraiges.
I will write to the addresses for more info, thankyou.
I will follow up all the links that you have both posted yesterday and let you know what I can come up with.
I am pleased that I am now straight on what info is available, BMD and Census, time scale and forthcoming releases_yes, the 1921 census should yield more results. Thankyou JJ.
And E. Merchant, thier Mother, is addressed with many variable surnames, so I don`t think if she was listed on documents etc.. it would help too much.
Anyway, off to do some more digging.

[Sal1525]

Contd...

The children that emigrated are;
Robert Welsh/Welch--    17 March 1892 from Liverpool
John Welsh/Welch----     17 March 1892  ^^^^
Edward Merchant Arnold---21 Feb 1907^^^^^^^
Elijah Arnold---                   12 Sep 1907 ^^^^^^^
Keziah Elizabeth Arnold--    28 July 1910  ^^^^^^

Robert also used the name King in Canada. As stated on his Army Papers. Could that be who adopted or fostered him?
Be back later

[J.J.]

Oh, so that was where the surname King came in, I completely missed it in my original peek, as i was bent on looking for the address, etc. Searching his regimental number he does not have any more signups under the name King, though...
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=288718
As Polar Bear has suggested, you may want to order the full file on Robert as he is proven by her finds to be the right one! See the phrase in the link "How to consult a file on-site or order a copy of the complete file" unfortunately we haven't anyone who can look at the files for you, so they would need to be ordered. These aren't about the battles they were involved in, but are usually of a more personal nature, a mini will?  his illnesses....He may or may not mention John in there, if he even knew of his whereabouts, and perhaps the surname King might be mentioned?

If you find some things of interest and worthwhile, then ordering Elijah's could be next, although it is unusual that he gives his father as next of kin rather than his siblings in Canada...??

[J.J.]

http://ogs.andornot.com/WebPubResults.aspx
Edward Arnold (stone F85 )  d. 1971   Leeds County   South Elmsley   Maple Vale Cemetery
Valeria (Pratt)  Arnold same stone  d. 1990
Reference numbers are LCGS- so you'll need to write to
  Lanark County Genealogical Society
                   P.O. Box 512
                   Perth, Ontario, Canada.
                   K7H 3K4
or website http://www.globalgenealogy.com/LCGS/
If you look through those same results there are other Arnold surname who died earlier in century, but they are not in same plot...

[J.J.]

Been meaning to ask, how did you find out the year of shipping for the two Welsh/Welch boys, as they are not down as 1892 immigrants on the BHC database? I know it isn't complete, but I though that was for more recent searches...
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-100.01-e.php

I looked again and you figured they came as Walsh?... How did you determine  these to be yours for certain? There are passenger lists which may have that entry.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=36347
Party: Dr. Barnardo's Destination: Toronto, Ontario and Winnipeg, Manitoba
The part consisted of 303 children with Mr. Owen