Home Children

[Sal1525]

Hello JJ

Fantastic news on the Edward and Valerie burial plots.  I guess I am going to be busy in the morning writing letters to the addresses that you have supplied. Ha, ha. Big thanks.
Arrival dates on the Tweetybird site and ancestry rootsweb freepages, off the top of my head.
Now I am off for my tea.
Thankyou, well done.

[polarbear]

I believe this is the voyage of the 2 boys ... they are in the 4th group down.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-119.02-e.php?sisn_id_nbr=8135&page_sequence_nbr=1&interval=20&page_id_nbr=102556&&&&&&&PHPSESSID=71b3532o6fnsteu61j6itadqq4

Arrival in Halifax 03 Mar 1892 en route to Montreal, then the addition of Toronto can be faintly made out. The problem with this particular passenger list is that it doesn't specifically state who is sending all these children plus numerous 12 years + folks to Canada and it is thus apparently missed off the Home Child list?

Re: Robert .... I wonder if his stating Chatham as his birthplace might have something to do with being moved there as a very young child and thus only remembering it as his home?

Re: John .... to tidy up a few ends even if he is apparenty not yours. I have not been able to find any marriages for either set of parents meentioned in the marriage cert of John and Clara. Nor have I yet been able to find the family in the 1901 Census UK although they s/b there somewhere, having not emigrated until 1908.

Continuing ...

[polarbear]

Stomper, a while back you wrote ......

And I had not considered the idea that Clara`s children might not be his, so that is on hold for the moment.

John and Clara's children seem to be properly registered as Welch which should make John their father. It appears John and Clara were living together without benefit of marriage and then decided to marry in Canada after all, for whatever reason.

This is all academic now since it doesn't look like this is your John but I just wanted to tie up the loose ends.

Polarbear

[Sal1525]

Hello JJ and Polarbear,

Thankyou for your many emails. Which I have just finished copying down.
I shall very shortly be sitting with a nice cuppa and reading the entire thread.

A lot of info and new links and addresses to go through. Along with more intense searching of all the links found. Many new theories to digest.
You have all been great and your input valued. I am 5/6 steps behind you both in keeping up with the findings. So today I will catch up with everything and post here later or throughout this afternoon.
I will be back later, once again, thankyou.

[Sal1525]

Hi
Have copied out all my postings and updated my paperwork. made out a paper tree for easier reference. I am now beginning to visit the links posted on this thread.

Just been on the islandnet cemetary finding aid site.
I know some of the burials/addresses have already been mailed here, thankyou, but I need to find my way around, so sorry if some info gets repeated.
Elijah  and Hazel Arnold_, Elmdale Memorial Park, St Thomas, Elgin, Yarmouth Ref EL -520
Keziah Elizabeth and Edward at --Glen Elbe, Leeds, Yonge Rear, Ref L&G 81-1-1 Plus Thomas Edward Randle
Robert, John and Hannah Welsh/Welch_plenty of records come up for all of them, but as I don`t know where they were living at the time of thier respective deaths, I am unclear in regards to Townships etc..
But not saddened by it all, as I did find the results of interest. And that Le High Cemetary is in the Township of Kitley. Most handy site to know about. Thankyou.
I have also googled Kitley and Stayner, Simcoe and the info was very useful to me , I am understanding the Geography better and the types of Industries that were/are there.
Off to the next link

[Sal1525]

Hi
Having great fun on the automatedgenealogy census pages.
Looking for Robert and John. This will be time consuming, not a complaint, so will chip away daily.

I found the Cardwell entry for Robert surname spelt Welsh. And was able to access the whole page and find the details of all of the McPheeters family. So, he is boarding with Duncan and Isabell McPheeters. If this is the correct one, I think so.
I hadn`t realised that New Brunswick is the Province. Kings-District. And Cardwell- subdistrict.
Is this where Robert takes the name King from? I wonder. It also states that he is from Scotland?
Not improbable to be made up, what do you think?
 I am off for my tea and shall do some more digging later.

[Sal1525]

Hi.
Just been viewing the Canada collections, finding my feet.
They have a photo there of a group of Barnados children. Unfortuneately no list for the children in the picture.
Searching for more info in the Military categories, haven`t came up with anything new yet.

Then visited the British Isles Family History Society at Ottawa, going back there shortly.
http://www.bifhsgo.ca  and found another link to the Global Genealogy website. Booksellers etc..
Some books that might be of interest to some people;

British Home Children-Thier Stories  compiled by the bifhs , published by Global Heritage Press. Paperback £ 19.40
Nation Builders, Barnados Children in Canada. By Gail H Corbett.  £ 12.90
The Little Immigrants. By Kenneth Bagnell. £ 19.40

Off to view some more sites.

[polarbear]

Hi again,

Going back to the death of Edward Arnold in 1971 in Smiths Falls Ontario ....

This link for Canada white pages has only 2 Arnold listings for Smiths Falls. You might want to consider contacting them? Just enter 'Arnold' and 'Smiths Falls'.

Edit: can't get it to come up properly .... try googling Canada411.

Also, you could try googling for a library in Smiths Falls. The librarian might look for an obit for you although without an actual date it may be too timeconsuming for them to consider.

Polarbear

[J.J.]

Oops it seems to me that you haven't been looking at the url on each reply as we are giving you the censuses, and you are WAYYYYYYYYYY out of the Province for Robert as he is on ONTARIO. Although the dates differ and occupatons, it would seem Polar Bear may have found him in 1911, as the age and month for the birth of son Frank in May do fit the census entry, and because they were now moved tro Toronto, that entry seems to be correct...
However I cannot find them in the census timeframe Toronto directories, with him down as being a butcher, or at 55 Markham...I am guessing it was a lodging house, and so they perhaps moved when the jobs changed? Perhaps he couldn't always get a job as butcher, but still put it down as his trade... as I went through directories way back at the beginning of my searches & couldn't pinpoint...Not all the directories were working then, nor just now, so a pain to be certain ( persnicketty, as P.B. calls them)

Here is a Robert Welsh who is occupation butcher in 1921....Home is 484 Bloor west
http://www.archive.org/stream/torontodirec192100midiuoft#page/1432/mode/2up
The actual address ahows him living with a Hugh P. Donahue ( also a butcher) and an Elmer Kenna. They may all be renting a home, or renting from Hugh as he also is listed as major resident in 486 Bloor
http://www.archive.org/stream/torontodirec192100midiuoft#page/164/mode/2up

Just click on the picture to your left, and a larger version will appear to the right...then turn to your right and it's one of the ones in front of you, ( maybe New generation, altho supposed to be Webnology Solutions, must be old photo)) so they were 3 story dwellings back then. Probably didn't stay there long either...
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uPk&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&q=484+Bloor+St+W+Toronto

55 Markham is in a cute little neighbourhood of houses...but it won't let me grab the url, so you'll need to sneak a peek yourself... ( yellow house w / oval glass in door)
ah, here it is, I typed the adress into the url myself and this worked just fine...oooog... "stuff" in the walkway from this view...
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uPk&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&q=55+markham+St+Toronto