Joe SANTAMARIA - Joe's Milk Bar Cronulla

[majm]

Hi Phil,

There's passenger arrival into Brisbane (Qld) 11 Apr 1923 from Naples of Guiseppe Sante Maria (Sante !) aged 36, on Osterley.  His nationality "British" .... (could be British subject, ie born in Britain and/or in any of her dominions, including Australia, coming to OR returning to Australia!)

NSW ER 1943
201 Hargraves St Paddington :  Santa Maria surname:
Guiseppe, Male, fruiterer
Gaetano, Male, no occupation (frequently that seems to indicate an Old Age Pensioner)
Josie, saleswoman
Mary, home duties.

Do you think your Joseph may have been a member of that family?  

PS, being on the roll in 1954 doesn't mean she was living, it just means that the family may have not notified the Electoral office, most families don't notify the electoral office even today! 

Cheers,  JM
 

[cando]

Deaths in NSW
1868/1943    
SANTAMARIA Gaetona
Father Guiseppe  Mother Guisetta
District Paddington

8667/1953    
SANTAMARIA  Maria
Father Guiseppe Garito  Mother Rosa
District Sutherland

Cando

[majm]

1937 NSW ER Same as 1943, all four at 201 Hargrave St Paddo... do you think Joe was Guiseppe    I think he could be.  Remember you needed to be 21 and over to be enrolled, so look who is missing from the 1930 roll

1930
163 Sutherland St, Paddo
Gaetano Santa Maria, Fruiterer
Mary Santa Maria, home duties

 

Cheers,  JM

[phillevo]

Thanks very much JM and cando...

I think Joe might well have been part of that family, all that info is great and I'll go back through the ER's and write it out so I can see more clearly where I'm at.

Best wishes

Phil

[Dundee]

Hi Phil,

When Gaetano SANTAMARIA died in 1943 (aged 77), his nephews' names are given as Joseph LOSCHIAVO of Boundary Street, and Vincent MORSILLO of Mill Hill Road, Waverley, and these would be Joe's cousins.

The MORSILLO nephew:

His Birth:
NSW
#92
1901
MORSILLO, VINCENT
VINCENT & JOSEPHINE
(SYDNEY)

His Marriage (blue additions from electoral rolls):
NSW
#19220
1928
MORSILLO, VINCENT JOSEPH, Motor Driver
YOUNG, ILMA PEARL
(WAVERLEY)

His Parents:
Marriage
NSW
#39
1900
MORSILLO, VINCENZO (VINCENT, Fruiterer)
SANTAMARIA, GUISEPPINA (JOSEPHINE)
(SYDNEY)

Death of Giuseppina/Josephine

#711
1944
MORSILLO, GUISEPPINA
GUISEPPI & GUISEPPA
(ASHFIELD)

I believe she would be the sister of Gaetano, so you would be looking for a pre 1900 arrival for her at least. There is quite a bit about the MORSILLO family in the newspapers and in the NAA.

The LOSCHIAVO nephew:

Marriage
#5383
1921
LOSCHIAVO, GIUSEPPE (JOSEPH, Bootmaker)
LOSCHIAVO, ANNETTINA (NETTY)
(SYDNEY)

These are a bit hard to work out, but I am guessing that his mother was probably also a SANTAMARIA.  If you have the patience, you can probably work out the relationship between them all.  From references on NAA, this Joseph was the inventor of the milk contraption, and the Joseph LOSCHIAVO who married Irene EGAN in 1935 is the one who has all of the music manuscripts on the site.  Some of the LOSCHIAVOs in NSW emigrated to WA as early as 1882.

Debra 

[tropicalj]

If you check the NAA
you will see that his parents arrived on  the  GALILEO GALILEI in 1964
By his death notice he was born in 1914  so  he may have come here by himself and then brought his parents out.

I cannot see anything for Joseph  though

Jenn

Ah  never assume I made that fatal error   interesting though  two people of  the same name  I was thinking they might have gone overseas for a holiday  but if  the death  that Cando has supploed for Maria is correct then it cannot be  the same couple.

However never assume  anything in genealogy  only certificates would prove or disprove any of our information as being coreevt

kind thoughts Jenn

[cando]

May be another coincidence

Marriage in Victoria
SANTAMARIA Gaetano born Italy
FARITO Maria born Italy
1910  Reg#3754R

There are no births to this couple in Victoria to 1920 - extent of birth index.

Perhaps request a lookup in NSW for births to 1918.  A number of rootschatters have resources to assist you for this period.

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

I think it is their marriage...there are two marriage regs in Vic one with surname GARITO and another with FARITO

Deaths in NSW
1868/1943   
SANTAMARIA Gaetona
Father Guiseppe  Mother Guisetta
District Paddington

8667/1953   
SANTAMARIA  Maria
Father Guiseppe Garito  Mother Rosa
District Sutherland

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Many SANTAMARIA passenger records on the Unassisted Passengers database
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=23

Many records could be return journeys to Australia.

Outward bound passengers from Melbourne
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=42

Cheers
Cando