Edmund/Edmond Hanley/Hanly- what to do next!

[Margeh75]

I'm researching my husbands great-great grandfather Edmond Hanley (various spellings) born around 1830-1837 who was married to a Mary Mulcahy,  in Murroe Feb. 18,1855  and they came from limerick, mainly of the Boher-Morroe districts. Areas of Caherconlish/Toureen/Annacotty are featured in the family history also. I was disappointed to see on the marriage record from the parish church that Edmonds father was not recorded on it! so how to i progress from here! How can i go back another generation? There are many Edmond Hanley's born within 1830-1837 in limerick. i initially thought Edmonds parents were Denis Hanly & Margaret Bourke (other children Nancy, Catherine, Michael) but i ruled that out since Edmond did not name his children after  Denis or Margaret nor any of the other childrens names born to Denis and Margaret. The children born to Edmond and Mary were Martin, Patrick, Mary, Bridget, and Edmond Jr. Does anyone have any idea at all what i should do..or have i finally come to an end in my search?

[shanew147]

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I was disappointed to see on the marriage record from the parish church that Edmonds father was not recorded on it!
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i initially thought Edmonds parents were Denis Hanly & Margaret Bourke (other children Nancy, Catherine, Michael) but i ruled that out since Edmond did not name his children after  Denis or Margaret nor any of the other childrens names born to Denis and Margaret. The children born to Edmond and Mary were Martin, Patrick, Mary, Bridget, and Edmond Jr.
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early parish records often dont have much detail, so the lack of parents names on the marriage record is not unusual. Was it a Catholic marriage ?

People didn't always use older family names for their children or follow a naming patterns, so that may not be an accurate way to check for links. What were the witness names on the marriage record ?

The only other clue that I can think of at the moment is location... which townland(s) did Edmond and Mary live at the time if their marriage ? Did either of the possible matches for parents that you found live in or near the same townland ?

Another factor to bear in mind is how far the records go back for each parish - it could be that Edmond's parents came from a parish where the records dont exist or only start at a later date..


Shane

[Margeh75]

Hi Shane, it was a catholic marriage, and it was a strong tradition in those days to name your children after your sibblings or parents, but Edmond didn't name even one of his children after his bro's and sisters nor his parents, nor did Edmonds son Martin (who is my husbands great grandad) none of the names Denis, margaret, Nancy, Michael, or catherine. The common names seem of Edmonds descendants are Bridget, Mary, Edmond, Patrick, and other relations being Peter, John, James, William, Johanna. It's unusual that not any of the children have those other names  i intially mentioned. They seemed to live in Murroe in limerick as that was where Martin was born and where Edmond was married. The witnesses were a Michael and Bridget Mulcahy (i reckon maybe this michael is Mary's brother and maybe Bridget is his wife, or maybe bridget is Mary's sister)

[liffeylander]

Johanna Hanley rings a bell as a family name - my grandfather was a Hanley from Ballylanders.  I think the family roots are across the border in Cork, or so he said to me, but it might be another generation or two back.  There was a falling out in the family though, so I haven't got much to go on for the Limerick side - I'll have a look at what I have and get back to you.

[Margeh75]

Thanks for the reply! there were looooads of Hanley/Hanly's from limerick all sharing similar names and in many generations, it's so hard to find the right people. I do know what became of some of my husbands great grandfather, Martin Hanly's children. Bridget married a Michael Moore, they lived in Ballysimon.apparently their grandson still lives in that house. John my husbands grandfather settled in offaly.   Mary, Johanna ,Martin jr, and Edmond jr emigrated to usa. Peter married Minnie Gorey and lived his life in limerick no children. I don't know what became of James or Annie. and there was a Patrick born in 1887 who possibly died in childbirth.  I'm just writing this in case anyone's related to these people. I'm maybe thinking Edmonds father wasn't recorded  on the marriage cert because he may have been illegitimate and didn't know who he was? Just a theory!

[liffeylander]

Well, off the top of my head, I do know that my great-grandparents John and Ellen Hanley had a daughter called Johanna, born sometime early in the 20th century, and I think I found something that would suggest that John had a sister called Johanna as well.  But that probably means little or nothing to you.  Like you said, the names seem to continue on from generation to generation in that part of the country in particular.  Even when my aunt was born, there was a bit of political wrangling because my grandmother didn't like her mother-in-law's name, and according to tradition, their first daughter had to be named after her!  That was in the 1950s!

[Margeh75]

haha thats a good one lol! well this is my theory on why i could not link Denis Hanly as the father and Margaret Bourke as the mother because not even one generation after this named any children after them. No one down the line are called Denis or Margaret. i was wondering do the names Peter, Patrick, William or Edward feature in your side?

[Margeh75]

looking for any info or decendents of Edmond Hanley, who was born in 1825 in the parish of Solohead and Oola. limerick . Edmond's parents were Edmond Hanley (possibly born in 1790's)  and Mary Fox and his siblings were John (born 1818), Ellen (1819), William (1822) and possibly a Mary and Anne.