MUTTON Family

[Fleurieu]

Looking for Mutton family arriving S.Australia in August 1883.   Supposed to have arrived on "City of Manchester".   This ship was wrecked in 1876.     Can't find their arrival anywhere, can some-one help... please

[rutht22000]

Hi

Do you have the names of the family?

At first glance there is a Mutton family arriving on the City of Manchester into Victoria but a lot lot earlier (1854). 

[wivenhoe]

What is the source of your information about the 1883 arrival, and can you give details about the family please?

[Fleurieu]

A notation was written in the birthday book belonging to Caroline Jane Mutton.   It states "arrival 10th August 1883 on City of Manchester.   I believed that to be a reference to her family.   Then I found out that the ship no longer existed.    The family is Joseph Mutton and his two daughters, Caroline Jane and Elizabeth Hannah Mutton.    They are on the English census of 1881.   I have connection with Muttons in Melbourne.   Unfortunately the person I was corresponding with passed away some years ago, but I do have details of his research.   Joseph Mutton was married to Julia Hanna Thomas (and I have read that "Precious" is researching this family)  Julia didn't seem to make it to Australia.    I have searched for a death certificate in S.Aust, but nothing.   Joseph married Mary Jane Symons.   The marriage certificate has the words for his condition as "supposed widower", so he obviously couldn't produce a death certificate or divorce papers.   Mary Jane also arrived in S.Aust sometime after 1881 (she and her two sons are on 1881 census), but with only son.  Father of these sons is not known.   Mary Jane and Joseph lived just one street away in Camborne!  Don't know whether they knew each other before meeting in Moonta, S.Aust.  One ponders this.....   Can't find Mary Jane arriving either, although haven't tried very hard, concentrating on the Muttons.

Regards, Fleurieu

[Dundee]

They arrived on this ship 7 years after it was wrecked     Slow swimmers?

Debra 

[mrwilson]

It's possible the family were processed for immigration elsewhere, such as Fremantle, Albany or Sydney if the ship called into another port before Sth Australia.... which they usually did.

Then I found out that the ship no longer existed.   

I can find 5 ships being named the 'City of Manchester', 2 pre 1900

City of Manchester (1)    1854    ship, 1871 sold to J. McAlister.    
City of Manchester (2)    1873    1885 lost off Ushant.                   

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/ellerman4.htm#hartle

The only reference I can find about the 1873 built 'City of Manchester' ship being in Sth Aust..
(I wonder if union troubles played a role in it being lost? )

South Australian Register Sept 9 1885

[Fleurieu]

Thanks MrWilson.
The Mutton family were on the 1881 english census, so I know they didn't leave Cornwall before that date.   I still can find no "city of manchester" after 1870s when it was wrecked.   My grandfather was born 1885 in Moonta, so the family was settled at that time.   The parents had not married at that time, suppose Joseph didn't know what to do about Julia Hanna (his first wife).   I think she stayed behind in Cornwall.   I thought she may have perished during the journey out here - that may still be the case.   Won't know until I find the passenger list and hopefully details of the journey.
Thanks again
Fleurieu

[Dundee]

Hi Fleurieu,

You might have already followed this up, but worth a shot if you haven't.  Just ignoring the name of the ship for the time being, two vessels arrived in SA on 10 August 1883 and both were carrying "mostly Cornish immigrants".  One was the Romsdal, and there is a list of immigrants transcribed here http://www.rootschat.com/links/0av6/   as well as the original newspaper item here http://www.rootschat.com/links/0av7/   This ship and passengers also appear on the SA State Records shipping lists  http://143.216.32.39/archivessrsa/t1tbmain.asp

The other was the Oriana:
"The barque Oriana, which reached the Semaphore of Friday, brought 408 passengers, mostly Cornishmen, who have been imported by private enterprise to augment the labor supply at the Wallaroo Mines." http://www.rootschat.com/links/0av8/

"The miners with their wives and families who arrived by the ship Oriana, remained on board the vessel at Port Adelaide on Saturday and Sunday, it being the intention of the managers of the Wallaroo Mines to dispatch them to Kadina by train on Monday morning." http://www.rootschat.com/links/0av9/

I cannot find any mention of this ship or passengers on the shipslist site or SA State Records, so perhaps it would be worth contacting State Records regarding this passenger list to see if they have any knowledge of whether it simply has not survived.

Is that your Joseph who died at the Wallaroo mines in 1906?

Debra 

[mrwilson]

Given the previously posted newspaper article, it's possible the 1873 built 'City of Manchester ' was a trading/cargo ship that carried a limited number of passengers. If the passengers were processed by immigration at another port, then they may have simply walked onshore in Adelaide with minimal documentation undertaken by port authorities.

Have now found two ships called the 'City of Manchester' visiting Australian waters @ 1880's. Reference to the other arrived in Sydney 1878, different to the 1873 built one (3,126 tons), it being 686 Tons.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1878/03/026cit.htm

 
mrwilson