william moran galway/liverpool

[trishy2141]

hi,im looking for any info regarding my great grandfather, william moran. 1911 uk census has him being born in Gort in Galway, in 1855. i have a copy of his wedding certificate,he married mary casey in liverpool in 1891, his fathers name was john. but cant find him on previous census. unsure when he came over from ireland. any info or leads would be most appreciated. thanks

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

Does the marriage cert show that William had been married previously?  The 1901 census shows a 12yr old son William b Liverpool

Mary Casey was a widow in 1891 but no children

What was her fathers name on the marriage cert

[trishy2141]

Hi Carole,


Thanks for your quick response, as it was my first post I was a bit vague with the info I already have,
Her father name on the marriage cert was Patrick Casey,
Her mother Ellen was a widow on the 1901 census and living with William and Mary at the time, they had 3 sons, William, Patrick (my grandfather) and John Moran.
I can find Mary, Ellen and Patrick Casey on the 1881 census but no sign of William Moran before the 1891 marriage to Mary, as he was born in Gort in Galway I thought maybe he was still in Ireland before 1891.
If you can find out anymore info it would be very much appreciated.
Thanks again
Alan Moran

[CaroleW]

The 1891 entry I found has Mary Casey aged 28 b Liverpool living as the daughter in law of Ellen Casey aged 45 b Liverpool - this is why I thought Mary had been previously married

Was William shown as a bachelor on the marriage cert?  If Mary was a spinster and William was a bachelor - William aged 12 must be the son of one of them

[heywood]

Hello,
the Liverpool history Projects site http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/
has baptisms for children with parents William Moran and Mary Casey:

William John 1888
Mary Catherine 1892
Patrick 1895
John 1897

which indicate that they were the parents of William so should be around in 1891

regards
heywood

[heywood]

There is a Mary Ann Casey with parents Patrick and Ellen and siblings at
1881  RG11; Piece: 3704; Folio: 86; Page: 1

[CaroleW]

Hi Heywood

Good find - marriage wasn't until 1891 which threw me

I can find Mary, Ellen and Patrick Casey on the 1881 census but no sign of William Moran before the 1891 marriage to Mary

[heywood]

There is a Mary Ann Casey with parents Patrick and Ellen and siblings at
1881  RG11; Piece: 3704; Folio: 86; Page: 1

Sorry Alan- just realised that you had mentioned this  However, I couldn't find that family in 1891. There is a death for a Patrick C though.

Thanks Carole - someone pointed that site out to me a while ago and it has been really useful. 

[heywood]

I know that we aren't looking for Mary here but it may help to find William in 1891.
Was Patrick a Cotton Porter on the marriage certificate?
 I just want to make sure that we have the right person.
1871  RG10; Piece: 3844; Folio: 76; Page: 14 has her as M. Alice Casey, 2 yrs.
Mary's age doesn't quite fit with the 1901 census.

Added:
Just found that family at 1891  RG12; Piece: 2991; Folio 117; Page 18
Mary A Casey is with her parents and is a teacher.

So I had the wrong family - which family do you have Alan?

Going back to Carole's point - 1891- Mary as 'daughter in law' - it could also mean 'step daughter' I have seen that described that way. (Or of course a remarriage).