Gt.Gt.Grandad Wyatts Cornwall Roots

[eita]

Hi CaroleW,
Ok, I'll have a look see if I can find them, i tried 1841, but no luck ,will try 1851.
thanks for still being there, eita

[eita]

Hi Carole,
It's likely, not him as I've found a birth of a William Robert Wyatt in 1805 in Marylebone, parents John and Mary.

But I have found a marriage for John Goodfellow Wyatt, my William's brother, who is also down as a bricklayer, to a Jane Hodgson on 13 Feb 1854, both were minors,and Father William Roberts Wyatt/Bricklayer. So the children I know of at the moment ( that you found for me) were all married in London!!!

Can't find the first William Roberts Wyatt and wife Mary on any censuses at the moment though? strange?
eita

[CaroleW]

Hi

I looked earlier in both Cornwall and Middlesex but couldn't find anything either - so that's 3 children all b Cornwall but all married in London

In view of the children's ages, I would have expected to at least find them on the 1841

I've searched the 1851 just on est** b 1836 +- 2yrs birthplace Cornwall and just on John and William in the same way - no surname - and there is no match 

In 1841 - I figured they must have been in Cornwall as William jnr was b 1840/1/2 but still can't find them

[eita]

Hi carole,
May possibly have found an 1841 Census return for the whole family, though the writing isn't too great as it looks as if its been rewritten over afterwards......probably faded with time.
Its 1841 Hartcliffe & Bedminster Somerset
Wiiliam Wyatt 30 Mason
Mary               30
John                 7
Ester                5
Mary                 3
Ellen                  8 mths ( did wonder if this might be William, (Wllm) and poor writing has made it look like
                                         Ellen or perhaps its just wishful thinking)
It has stated 'Not' born in that County for them, this may tie in with the death you found in Bath, and why William 1840, sometimes has Bath as birthplace.

Maybe the mother comes from Somerset , could this be why William and Mary's marriage isn't in Cornwall records? Do you think???
Sorry I keep bothering you with this, but they just seem to disappear between 1841 (if thats them) and getting married in London in the mid 1850's.

Also wanted to ask if William 1810 and his brother and his Dad, John, were all Masons, would this mean that they belonged to the Masons??
Only I was reading on one of the links that St.Austell had quite a strong Masonic tie and wondered if perhaps that might be a line of enquiry???

Again many Thanks eita

[osprey]

Hi Eita,

I'd spotted that family in Bedminster as well, but can't spot them later. Mary & Ellen both show as born in county. Ellen looks like Ellen on the original and age is in the female column. If the mother was from Somerset, it would show 'Y' for her, but it shows 'N'. 1841 entries were written in pencil by the enumerator, so can look 'faded'.

Don't confuse masons (bricklayers and the like) with Masonic & Freemasonry - there is no connection.

Have you checked out any visiting relatives from the census entries for William & Esther or any others you can find? I see that there's an uncle called Charles Harris aged 62 born Bath with Esther & family in 1881.

[osprey]

forgot to say that there are possible St Austell baptisms for 2 of the other people in the 1841 household - Samuel Daniel & Stephen Trestrail. ref HO107/376/3 folio 6 pg 7.

[eita]

Hi Osprey,
Will look for the Uncle Harris , I believe he's on a census with William and Susan , too!

I think the first William 1810 may have another brother as there appears to be a Thomas born to John and Ann, baptised the same time as William in St.Austell, possibly......... a twin? Though not necessarily, eh!

Sorry about that, the N and Y's all looked much the same to me, but I see what you mean, and I thought the Masons thing was a bit off but if you don't ask?

Shame that census almost fits the bill. I'll have a look at the 2 names you have mentioned, see who they are, Thanks a lot eita

[osprey]

it could be that the 2 boys were baptised on the smae day, but weren't twins. I seem to remember a bit of a gap in the family baptisms.

Sorry, Charles was with William & Susan in 1181, not Esther & Charles.

Do you have any of the marriage certs for Esther, John Goodfellow or William? If so, are addresses given on them? Are there any helpful witness names?

I've just been having a look for John G's wife Jane in 1851 in case the Wyatts were nearby & came across this entry, which could just be a coicidence.

10 Mitcham St, Marylebone HO107/1490 folio 102 pg 13
Jane Wyatt head widow 68 infant school mistress b. Somerset, Bath
Jane Hoghson grand dau 14 house servant b. Marylebone.

 
 

[CaroleW]

Hi Osprey

The marriages of Esther, John & William jnr were all in London so no clues there unfortunately (details in earlier replies)

I notice there is a 21yr old William Wyatt also with William & Mary on the 1841 census - occ also mason - not b in county.  Can't be a brother with the same age

We know that the children John & Esther were b Cornwall but Ellen & Mary are newcomers

The absence of William junior from the 1841 would support the thought that he was born between 1842 - 1845

Marriage 1864 - aged 24 - birthyear 1840

The witnesses on Esthers marriage cert were Mary Ann Wyatt and M Wyatt

1871 - 30 - 1841

1881 - 39 - 1842

1891 -  46 - 1845

1901 - 56 - 1845 - birthplace still just Cornwall