Author Topic: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards  (Read 4085 times)

Offline ADM199

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 407
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 08 December 10 13:22 GMT (UK) »
The only two POW Listed in 1945 as with Scottish Regimental connections are
2925961 R Todd Camerons and 2883933 R B Gordon Hldrs.

The only one for the Scots Guards is a J Todd
Prisoners of War. North Africa,Italy and Germany

Offline DPT

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 10
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 08 December 10 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the feedback everyone - I certainly need to double check some of the information I have as it doesn't seem to corroborate with what some of you are suggesting. I guess this is quite normal when information is passed on from different family members and over such long periods of time.

ADM199 your post is interesting as it's the first 'real potential' details of a possible ID - where did you manage to obtain this? Are the numbers the soldiers ID numbers or a seperate POW number given to them when captured? Bertie's middle name was John, so whether this was used to replace his first name of Robert, I do not know?

Scouseboy - thanks for coming back again - he was definitely Scots Guards.

IMBER - Thanks, I will verify this again as it's quite possible the info I have is wrong.

This certainly gets the adrenalin going - I will update with any new info - thanks for your help....keep it coming!

Many Thanks.
DPT

Offline ADM199

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 407
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 09 December 10 09:40 GMT (UK) »
The Nos. are Service Nos.  Both were in Stalag 20B. POW Nos.    R  1062   and   R B 17716

2699488 Gdsm. J Todd was in Stalag 344 No. 33169

The information comes from official records.
Prisoners of War. North Africa,Italy and Germany

Offline DPT

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 10
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 09 December 10 12:03 GMT (UK) »
ADM199 - Thanks for the info, it's much appreciated.

Is there anything registered for 1944 for POW's from the Scots Guards?

Would his service records include time spent as a POW?

Thanks again.


Offline ADM199

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 407
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 09 December 10 12:27 GMT (UK) »
Everything is just the same for all three in September 1944.
Prisoners of War. North Africa,Italy and Germany

Offline DPT

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 10
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 16 February 11 16:13 GMT (UK) »
[ADM199 - I have new info on my Grandad from his military records which I now have - he was reported missing on 14.5.1945. He was also confirmed as a POW on the same day.

His Military Number was 2698817 and he was a Lance Sergeant with 3rd Battalion Scots Guards.

The records show him 'Rejoined (Escaped POW)' on 9.5.1945

So only a short stint as a POW.

Any chance you can look at this? Anything you can clarify would be great.

Offline ADM199

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 407
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 16 February 11 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Doubt if he was even Registered with the Red Cross as a POW.
Probably not enough time.
Not too unusual to have been reported as taken POW after escape in these sort of cases.

As I said in the PM the best place to look would probably be in the War Diary for May 1945.
Prisoners of War. North Africa,Italy and Germany

Offline ScouseBoy

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,142
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Robert 'Bertie' Todd - 2nd Battalion Scots Guards
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 17 February 11 22:13 GMT (UK) »
[ADM199 - I have new info on my Grandad from his military records which I now have - he was reported missing on 14.5.1945. He was also confirmed as a POW on the same day.

His Military Number was 2698817 and he was a Lance Sergeant with 3rd Battalion Scots Guards.

The records show him 'Rejoined (Escaped POW)' on 9.5.1945

So only a short stint as a POW.

Any chance you can look at this? Anything you can clarify would be great.
Are you sure about those dates?   Are they really MAY 1945.   The war was over  on or about the 8th May 1945.    But probably chaos   was the order of the day particularly with the German admin system.
Nursall   ~    Buckinghamshire
Avies ~   Norwich