Surgeon John CATES

[majm]

RICHARDSON

http://rookwoodcemetery.com.au/index.php
Rookwood Cemetery  C of E  Section 6  Row 10  Plot 2066 and 2067 
Frank Ernest aged 10, 8 October 1921
Frank, aged 46, 3 June 1928
Elizabeth Ann aged 88, 30 October 1977 "  our mother, mother in law & grandmother"

JM

[majm]

Re Feb 1862 Chariot of Fame (White Star line) .... 24 year old C C Cates etc  (noting that there's various reminders on many threads re inaccuracies in the shipping records throughout Australia, including the Victorian index) ....

Also noting CCC had to be back in Ireland to marry there in Dec 1865, but that would be his second marriage ... first could have been anywheres ! 

NZ papers past  http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
From UK departing Oct 1861 to Melbourne arriving Jan 1862
From Melbourne 1 Feb 1862 to Otago as per Otago Daily Times , Issue 77, 13 February 1862, Page 2
Arrived Otago 22 Feb from Melbourne as per Otago Witness , Issue 635, 1 March 1862, Page 5 with 100 passengers. Captain Kerr, 1640 tons, BUT I have not found any passenger list 
Return from NZ to England Otago Daily Times , Issue 94, 5 March 1862, Page 4 &
Otago Daily Times , Issue 104, 17 March 1862, Page 4
Still in NZ and attracting visitors Otago Daily Times , Issue 130, 16 April 1862, Page 4
Departing for London with 12 passengers, 3585 bales of wool and 13,600 oz of G O L D, Otago Daily Times , Issue 162, 23 May 1862, Page 4
Arrived England around 22 August 1862 Daily Southern Cross, Volume XVIII, Issue 1639, 22 October 1862, Page 3

Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

I feel as if I have missed something here

This quote from TERRY

That would put Charles Collier Cates as being born 1838 when the family were travelling to Australia. Could it be that he was born just before family left or on board the Mellish and that he was never registered in UK or Australia TERRY



Quote from JM

Don't forget that 31 Oct 1840 a son was born to John and Elizabeth CATES and he was baptised at St Laurence in Sydney and named Charles Collier CATES   (pilot/beta site)

NSW BDM online index has this as V1840725 26A/1840 Charles C CATES with parents John and Elizabeth A
and I'm sure volume 26A would be St Laurence

Why is this not OK as the birth?

Sue

[majm]

Cause I was confused and only made it more confusing... it was George Collier CATES who was born Oct 1840 in Sydney and baptised 20 May 1842 at St Laurence ....          

  I've re-checked, yes it was NOT Charles Collier CATES, and Yes, BUT it was George Collier CATES on those 1840/42 birth/baptismal indexes....

So, what happened to George born 1840 .... HE WAS NOT LISTED as part of the household for John and Elizabeth CATES in 1861    RG9; 155; 92; 15   although William and Sarah (K for Kain) were there with their mum and dad at 4 Bath Place Hackney

Do you think that George Collier Cates could have changed his name to Charles Collier Cates .... ?  perhaps say after a first marriage somewheres before Dec 1865?

Cheers,
JM

[sparrett]

Thanks JM.
I get it now
Sue

[judb]

Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 31 October, 1977

Death Notices

RICHARDSON, Elizabeth Ann.  October 30, 1977, at hospital, late of Lakemba, beloved wife of Frank(dec), loved mother and mother-in-law of Walter, Colin, Donald, Kathy and June, fond grandmother of Lee and dear sister of Charles, aged 88 years. At Rest.

Thanks, Sue for letting me know about this one.  I had missed the beginning of the thread so hadn't been following it.   

Judith

[majm]

Thank you Judith, much appreciated

Not sure if mentioned previously
Ryerson Index gives SMH of 3 July 1978 for her brother Charles.
Charles Augustus CATES, late of Camperdown, aged 87 d of d 1 July 1978

NSW BDM online gives ref 14743/1978 gives his parents as Charles and Sarah...

Again, many thanks Judith

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Sydney Morning Herald, 3 July, 1978

Death Notices:

CATES, Charles Augustus - July 1, at hospital , of Purkiss St, Camperdown, dearly loved husband of the late Gladys Cates, loved father of Ruby and Russell, fond father-in-law of George and Beryl, dear grandfather and great-grandfather of their families.  Loved brother of Elizabeth Richardson.  Aged 87 years.  At rest.

Funeral on July 4 at Rookwood Crematorium.

  Judith

[majm]

Thanks Judith      (EDIT TO ADD, access to Rookwood C of E website is temp unavailable)

Hi Terry,

NSW Police Gazette 4 May 1887 page 174

 Albury.-A warrant has been issued by the Albury Bench for the arrest of Frank Barrett, charged with stealing the sum of £3 lls. 6d., the money of Charles Cates, at Albury, on or about the 17th ultimo. Offender is about 40 years of age, 5 feet 7 inches high, medium build, dark hair turning gray; a native of Sydney.

Unfortunately it doesn't give a description of Charles Cates,  but it does place him in the Albury district in the 'right' timeframe for this being Charles, son of John the Surgeon...

Cheers,  JM