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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #63 on: Saturday 11 December 10 11:00 GMT (UK) »
 :)  ::)  ::) :P

Another wife for this son of John CATES, surgeon and yet we haven't found birth details for Charles Collier CATES .... but it could well be Sydney as per Alison's post.

1. So there's a marriage back sometime BEFORE 1865, somewhere but not sure where
2. Ireland in 1865 to Miss Flood
3. New Zealand in 1873 to Miss Buchanan
4. Victoria in1879 to Miss O'Brien
5. NSW in 1888 to Miss Woodland

Perhaps Terry has a plastic card and may have some spare pennies he may be interested to learn that plastic cards can be used to obtain immediate image of the 1879 marriage.  Alison has provided the reference number

WELL FOUND ALISON  :).

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

INFO usually found on Victoria marriages is fantastic  (Here's a snip from the RChat Resources Board)
Marriages
 Date and place of marriage;
 name and surnames;
 conjugal condition, whether bachelor or spinster, widow or widower,
 stating date of decease of former wife or husband;
 children by each former marriage;
 birthplace;
 occupation;
 age;
 residence (present and usual);
 parent's names of each party (including mother's maiden name) and occupation of    father;
 signatures of the parties and witnesses;
 signature of Minister. Prior to 1963 the date of termination of previous marriages of  the parties is also shown.



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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #64 on: Saturday 11 December 10 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

A snippet about a Charles Collier Cates in an 1874 NZ newspaper.

We well and truly have this   :D

And, as a finding,  it has been already built upon


MMmm.. Oh Dear. :D


I still do not know whether the CHARLES COLLIER CATES is related (as JM says, it could be off the mark entirely) but a bit of  a mess with the marriage I think

27 November 1873

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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #65 on: Saturday 11 December 10 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

More Wonderful info  ;D

Sue- Thanks for the birth of Sarah Woodward.

JM - That certainly is my William John, he was in England for the 1861 census so returned on Mary White I reckon, As for the marraige in 1857, it could be knowing this family, although on 1861 census says unmarried.
Also Elizabeth Ann 1832 and Henry John 1834 look like mine(not very original on middle names were they) .
Where is Charles Collier birth, well  John Cates was born 1799 so I reckon 1830/1 or 1835/6, and if he didnt sail out in 1850 I favour early one. Still fancy he was born in uk rather than Sydney even tho marraige to Margaret Ryan says born Sydney.
As you quite rightly say we also need his first marraige pre 1865. quite a lad our Charles.
Also thanks to you we now have Charles Augustus as a Queenslander.
 
Alison - Many thanks for the marraige info in Victoria.

I need to get this all in logical sequence in my head and on paper and then get to work narrowing even more down, But I bet the story will increase again soon   :o

Terry

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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #66 on: Sunday 12 December 10 00:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

COLLIER

I'm attaching a snip because I am not certain of the surname for a witness.  Elizabeth Ann CATES married in June 1856, St Leonards, Shoreditch, Hackney.  Her father was recorded as John CATES, Surgeon, and she was 24, all pointing to Terry's John Cates.

One of the witnesses signatures 'could' be Eliza Martha Collier, here's the snip .... do you think that signature reads "COLLIER"

Fingers crossed that will help find birth details for Charles Collier CATES, son of John  :)
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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #67 on: Sunday 12 December 10 01:17 GMT (UK) »
Could be JM!

Can you possibly post another bit that contains the letter R in a different context?

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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #68 on: Sunday 12 December 10 01:20 GMT (UK) »
There is this death....


Deaths Mar 1890   
Collier  Eliza Martha aged  75  at Portsea vol  2b pg 375

which shows, at least, such a person was in England
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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #69 on: Sunday 12 December 10 01:26 GMT (UK) »
 :)

Re the signature .... anywhere's else on that marriage is not in that handwriting  ;) and there's that 'odd' flourish concluding the signature, but otherwise I read it as Collier...

I think it could be that Eliza Martha Collier was born Eliza Martha KAIN .... and I think KAIN was the maiden surname for Elizabeth, wife of John CATES, the surgeon  :) 

I think there's a KAIN - COLLIER marriage to look for  ;)   

Back shortly  ;D   ;D
Edit to Add
Good old PALLOT .... John Dowsett COLLIER to Eliza Martha KAIN 1835 at Topsham

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #70 on: Sunday 12 December 10 01:41 GMT (UK) »
.......... Deaths Mar 1890   
Collier  Eliza Martha aged  75  at Portsea vol  2b pg 375 ..........

And 1881 UK Census supports that.... 
87 Palmerston Road Portsea
John Dowsett Collier, 68 born Romford Essex Inland Revenue Pensioner
Eliza Martha Collier wife 65 b Limehouse Middlesex
Eliza Mary Ann Collier, daur, 43 b Romford
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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #71 on: Sunday 12 December 10 02:00 GMT (UK) »
I think it could be that Eliza Martha Collier was born Eliza Martha KAIN .... and I think KAIN was the maiden surname for Elizabeth, wife of JM

Which of course brings us back to the second given name of this child whose mistranscription we have discussed earlier. 


In 1844 CATES SUSAN E =K   Kain


Father JOHN
ELIZABETH A
Reg1844677 28 In 1844

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