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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 08 December 10 23:46 GMT (UK) »
Possibly a side track but
NZ Papers Past http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
Star , Issue 1829, 10 January 1874, Page 2
MARRIAGE.
Cates—Buchanan.— April 22, 1873, at the Wesleyan Chapel, Pareora, near Timaru, Charles Cates to Annie M. Buchanan.   

I'm not sure why it took nine months for someone to hand that info into the newspaper  ::) and according to NZ BDM online, Charles Collier Cates married Annie Maria Buchanan on 22 April 1873 ... the  ref is 1873/9721 ...   alas, I can't find any children registered in NZ for that couple

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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 09 December 10 01:16 GMT (UK) »
MMmm.. Oh Dear. :D


I still do not know whether the CHARLES COLLIER CATES is related (as JM says, it could be off the mark entirely) but a bit of  a mess with the marriage I think

27 November 1873

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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 09 December 10 01:58 GMT (UK) »
What a calamity, well found Sue  :D

On the pilot site's beta version, there's a marriage in 1865 for a Charles Collier CATES  registered at Dublin South .... I have not found the name of the bride for that one  ::) (edit see next post, found) and of course I haven't found the names of the parents of that Charles Collier Cates  :D but I have found a Charles Collier Cates as the father of the bride for an 1867 marriage  ;D  and there's scant info showing for the bride or groom  ::)  ::)  BOTH SEEM TO BE EXTRACTED RECORDS  .... could be same Charles Collier Cates, or perhaps father and son  ;)
https://beta.familysearch.org/ 
CATES, female (no groom details at all)
Marriage date: 11 Mar 1867
Birthplace: 0781,DONNYBROOK,DUBLIN,IRELAND
Father's Name: Charles Collier Cates
Mother's Name: Annabelle Marion Flood

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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 09 December 10 02:03 GMT (UK) »
Re 1865 marriage ... Found this also on that pilot site  ;D 

Groom's Name: Charles Collier Cates   
Marriage Date: 05 Dec 1865
Marriage Place: Donnybrook, Dub, Ireland
Groom's Father's Name: John Cates   ;)
Bride's Name: Annabell Marian Flood
Bride's Father's Name: Benjamin Flood
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:  JM notes that there's NOTHING RECORDED ON THIS INDEX
Bride's Marital Status: Single

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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 09 December 10 02:21 GMT (UK) »
 :)

Don't forget that 31 Oct 1840 a son was born to John and Elizabeth CATES and he was baptised at St Laurence in Sydney and named Charles Collier CATES  ;D (pilot/beta site) EDIT on 13 Dec 2010 FIRST NAME reads George, not Charles .... my mistooken, sorry JM

NSW BDM online index has this as V1840725 26A/1840 Charles C CATES with parents John and Elizabeth A
and I'm sure volume 26A would be St Laurence.  Ancestry has same V reference and shows it as at MF which is the NSW BDM's Early Church Records code for "Church of England Sydney, St Lawrence's" (I am very very certain this is Christ Church St Laurence, where various of my forebears attended, married, had their children baptised etc in the 1840's and 1850's)

Terry,  V18400725 26A/1840 .... V is the Volume number in NSW BDM records V1840 ie the year  V18400725 ie line 725 in the volume V18400725 26A/1840 26A being the volume, and 1840 the 'double check' for the year (although the event being recorded is the actual baptism of 1842, when NSW BDM was setting up these computerised indexes in the 1980's they continued with the practice of indexing the year of the Birth where it was included on the PR's)  ....
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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 09 December 10 02:36 GMT (UK) »
Sue found (reply #8) a NSW marriage for a Charles C Cates
3689/1888  CATES  CHARLES C  to WOODWARD  SARAH  registered at GOULBURN
and there's a birth at NEWCASTLE (which is quite a hike from Goulburn) in 1889 of a daughter named Elizabeth A (perhaps named for wife of John Cates, the surgeon). The parents for that lass: Charles C and Sarah ref 29905/1889. 
Terry, many of the parish records for the  Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle are online  ;D and the links for those images  are at RChat's NSW Resources Board
 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html
which leads to these
Baptisms, Marriages, Burials, Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606066769147/ 1820 – 1899 Family Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605008173551/ 1826 – 1837 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157604433014652/ 1837 – 1838 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605132739200/ 1839 – 1861 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605674610949/ 1856 – 1868 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605785759029/ 1869 – 1885 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605802132868/ 1885 – 1897 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606197590347/ 1899 – 1913 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605928662968/ 1913 – 1914 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606308436455/ 1914 – 1916 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606323070651/ 1916 – 1918 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606450662513/ 1918 – 1929 Marriage Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606952230042/ 1929 – 1936 Marriages Register



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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 09 December 10 03:11 GMT (UK) »
 ;D
Found a UK record for Charles Collier Cates and this matches up with
Quote from: sparrett on Tuesday 07 December 10 21:44 GMT (UK)
Death Reg.5930  In1893 CATES CHARLES C Father JOHN ELIZABETH A At GLEBE


CATES Charles Collier of Forest-lodge* near Sydney New South Wales manufacturer died 12 May 1893 Administration (with Will) (Limited) London 13 January * to John Hammond Galbraith solicitor the attorney of David Dunlop Rutledge and Alexander Canty Effects £88 8s 7d

* Forest Lodge is inner west suburb of Sydney, off Parramatta Road, near Sydney Uni...  Forest Lodge and Glebe are suburbs next to each other !
 
** 1897 is the year this appears on the UK Probate index ...


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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 09 December 10 04:11 GMT (UK) »
Good tracking JM ;) ;)

The man just loved getting married.

This item in the Sydney morning Herald relates also to the estate of CHARLES CATES.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13920430?searchTerm="charles  cates"&searchLimits=

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Re: Surgeon John CATES
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 09 December 10 04:58 GMT (UK) »

Re that insolvency estate from the SMH that Sue has found ... I'm presuming to refers to the same Charles Cates of Albury whose Sequestration dated 23 June 1887 was released 24 April 1893.  He was a commission agent and that definitely indicates to me that he was a traveller
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx

Terry, Albury is around 350 miles south of Sydney, its inland, near the border with Victoria ... it was serviced by main railway line back to Sydney from about 1881.   

NB, I have forebears who were at Forest Lodge from 1871 until post WWI, so I've some reference books to check, but Charles does not seem to be residing at Forest Lodge in 1891 as he's not listed in the 1892 edition street directory that I have handy...

He died shortly after that insolvency hearing   and it seems he had 88 quid after sorting that out.     

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