Bermingham Dining Room Liverpool

[Tricia_2]

'... one thing there can be little doubt, that to substitute the use of tea, coffee, and cocoa, for spirituous liquors, would be a great gain. In the literature of teetotalism thus far there has been but one dietetical alternative to alcohol, and that is water.'

'COFFEE-HOUSES AGAINST RUM-SHOPS.'
Popular Science Monthly/Volume 14/November 1878/Editor's Table

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Popular_Science_Monthly/Volume_14/November_1878/Editor%27s_Table

[Tricia_2]

This is the only building left and its number 3-4 but only space for a few more buildings each side so can't work out where old road went!!

I think that you can see that building on this old photo:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uPjaUtd_i5Y/TPRDEEbRhnI/AAAAAAAAAYM/ER-eCBbKElM/s1600/greatgeorgeplace.jpg

I wonder if the cocoa rooms are on any of these?
http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/great-george-street-and-david-lewis-hostel-1980/
http://liverpoolhistorysocietyquestions.blogspot.com/
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/nof/emigrants/access/liverpool.asp?[lookup]=irish

[Mentalcal]

Yes thats the right building but the road in front of the building behind the triangle is the only part named Great George Place the large road with the tram is Great George Street but there doesn't seem enough space on the left of the building to house up to number 17 as numbering appears to come towards camera, and I can't find old map to see if it continues on other side of road to the left on pic!!!
Your cool... you're findin info its taken me month to find!!
Luv
XCX

[km1971]

Hi Cal

Bermingham's cocoa-room is shown on the post card. He was the proprietor according to the 1911 directory. It was actually 143 St James' Street, on the corner of Great George Place. I will add some details to the 1910 postcard.

Great George Place was a triangle that included the David Lewis Hostel, where the tram is. It went behind the viewer to the junction of Parliament Street and Upper Parliament Street. It was numbered sequentially starting with No1 - the second building on the left - next to the Bermingham cocoa-room.

The 1906 OS reprint for Central Liverpool available from Alan Godfrey Maps shows the area well. There were a few changes between 1901 and 1911. The David Lewis was built on the site of the old St James' market and numbers 16 and 17 had been joined to form a larger dining rooms.


Ken

[km1971]

The numbers are Great George Place.


Ken

[Mentalcal]

Wow thanks Ken... I wish I'd posted on here a year ago when this first started to puzzle me!!
One thing I know now is that the Bermingham obviously wasn't the relatives establishment we are looking for, as they are the owners?? of the numbers 16 and 17 that had been joined to form a larger dining rooms, as that is what appears on the census!!
So... I now have the dilema of trying to find more info on these rooms and don't even have establishment name!!
LOL... Why is it that pictures are ALWAYS taken with the camera mans back to the building you require??
Many Thanks again!!
Cal
X

[km1971]

If you search for (Upper) Parliament Street and St James' Place (which was opposite) you may see no 17. It was only three buildings from the corner.

Ken

[Mentalcal]

Oooo thankyou... I'll look right now!! I'm determined to find it!!
Luv
XCX

[Mentalcal]

LOL... well I've now been looking for 2hrs solid and not found a sausage!! 
Think I'm just not destined to see this Cocoa Room!!
Many Thanks for all your support!!
Luv
XCX