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Re: Operation Mincement - Glyndwr Michael
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 16 December 10 23:39 GMT (UK) »
There is, of course, the suggestion that the body that was used was that of a drowned sailor from HMS Dasher that sank off the Scottish coast at just the right time. That body would have been in much better physical shape than Michael's and much more convincing because death had genuinely been from drowning.

Conspiracy theorists have it that the true identity of the corpse was not disclosed because it was"simply not British", even in wartime, to go round pinching bodies that didn't belong to you albeit for such an altruistic reason. Allowing it to be assumed that the body was that of  someone from the lower social orders and, whether we care to admit or not, less valued may have simply been a device, a double bluff to fool the Germans and the British public, in order to avoid  controversy.

Short of acquiring some DNA from the remains of the man who never was and comparing it with samples from relatives of some of the Dasher candidates( there was more than one) I can't see how we can resolve the problem.

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Re: Operation Mincement - Glyndwr Michael
« Reply #10 on: Friday 17 December 10 15:51 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for all your replies. There is much food for thought here. As Anydogsbody ( I feel awful calling you that) rightly states - short of a DNA test we can never be sure.

I personally think there was much double bluffing going on and the name left in the file to me was too obvious an act to be convincing. These people were past masters at deception so this is rather an elementary mistake if it was one.

I suppose at the end of the day - the ploy worked and the rest as they say is history.

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Re: Operation Mincement - Glyndwr Michael
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 26 June 19 10:04 BST (UK) »
I have heard that there is going to be a film coming out soon, starring Colin Firth which will tell the story of 'Operation Mincemeat'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9365200/operation-mincemeat-1943-invasion-of-sicily/

My deceased Dad took part in the invasion of Sicily during WW2, so I am particularly interested in going to see this film about this deception which made the outcome somewhat safer for service men like my Dad.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyndwr_Michael

http://www.themanwhoneverwas.com

What a sad end though for Welsh tramp Glyndyr Michael.  It seems not to be known if he had committed suicide or had just been hungry and had perhaps found the scraps of bread laced with rat poison.

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Re: Operation Mincement - Glyndwr Michael
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 26 June 19 12:15 BST (UK) »
Wonder if Glyndwr Michael's family don't like the fact he was a down and out, not good publicity for the family.
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Re: Operation Mincement - Glyndwr Michael
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 June 19 19:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the interest in this topic.

There is a programme on BBC4 tonight 9pm about " The Man who never Was.

A couple of family trees for Glyndwr Michael on Ancestry.

Fascinating story


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Lloyd, Old and New Radnor Glascwm
Holl, Radnor, Kington
Mannering(s), Chatham Hinckley
England & Iliffe in Hinckley
Whitlock, Wilts, Glos and Cardiff
Howell, Cardiff
Hoddinott, Sturminster Newton,  - Weston S Mare
Thymian Eiling, Rahmer, Heitmuller -Hanover and Braunchsweig Germany
Wellings- Shropshire
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Thomas - Williamstown, Tonypandy
Trembath - Cornwall & Williamstown Wales

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Re: Operation Mincement - Glyndwr Michael
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 26 June 19 22:04 BST (UK) »

 ... googling the name Glyndwr Michael and seems to suggest the family or descendants do not believe the story.


Families often don't believe stories, because they are often told another bit privately about what happened at the time

As Next of kin of deceased, what our family were told in our front rooms regarding one being "Missing" and by telephone about another, appear to be fairly truthful, or the truth of what they want to tell you.

However, these points were not mentioned at either of the official Inquiries. At a recent Inquiry the Health Service only sent a newly employed Doctor who knew nothing of the case and he simply read a prepared Statement to the Coroner and therefore could not answer questions about what we were told.

Regarding our "Missing" 'next of kin' he even has a 1940 English Death Certificate with a place of death in a field, which includes the road name, place and County. When I probed why the Death Certificate was issued in 1940, some Deaths were only "presumed" at the aircraft crash site. However only two of the five Aircrew were found and apparently flying the aircraft.

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