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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 04 December 10 05:34 GMT (UK) »

1900 Census USA Ohio Cleveland Cuyahoga Ward 19
Roll T_1255 Page 2A District 85
Hough Avenue

WALL
Eliza M Head White Wid Female Born May 1841 Canada (English ) aged 60 Father born England Mother born New York Immigration in 1895 No Occupation

Newton B Son White Unmarr Male Born Sept 1873 Canada ( English ) aged 26 Father born England Mother born Canada Immigration in 1894 Dry Goods Salesman

Rush J Son White Unmarr Male Born May 1875 Canada ( English ) aged 25 Father born England Mother born Canada Immigration in 1893 Bookeeper

Mary B Dau White Unmarr Female Born Feb 1880 Canada ( English ) aged 20 Father born England Mother born Canada

A. K. RICHARDS Boarder White Unmarr Male Born Sept 1875 Canada ( English ) aged 24 Both parents born England Immigration in 1896 Floor Walker

Cannot see Eliza after that

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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 04 December 10 05:50 GMT (UK) »

State of Ohio Deaths
Cuyahoga
WALL Eliza M 24th Dec 1914
Volume 1517
Certificate 65474

Newton B WALL 23rd Nov 1927
Volume 5488
Certificate 62337

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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 04 December 10 06:08 GMT (UK) »

This gives us a fair bit of information to work with...

1920 Census USA Ohio Cuyahoga Cleveland Ward 20
Roll T_1366 Page 4B District 403
1873 East 90th Street

WALL
William E Head Marr White 51 Immigrated 1890 Naturalised 1895 Born Canada Father born Canada?? Mother born Canada  President Oil Co

Alice H Wife Marr White 34 Born Connecticut Father born Scotland Mother born Connecticut

Louisa Dau Unmarr White 14 Born Ohio Father born Canada Mother born Connecticut

DRYSDALE Harriet E Mother in Law Wid White 65 Born Connecticut Father born Connecticut

1867 East 90th Street

HART
George L Head Marr White 46 Born Ohio Both parents born Scotland Broker Oil Co

Beatrice Wife Marr White 39 Immigrated 1895 Naturalised 1913 Born Canada Father born England Mother born Canada

George Son Unmarr White 5 Born Ohio Father born Ohio Mother born Canada

Mary Maud Dau Unmarr White 3.5 Born Ohio Father born Ohio Mother born Canada

STEVENS Maud Sister in Law Wid White 47 Born Canada Father born England Mother born Canada

WALL Rush Brother in Law Unmarr White 45 Born Canada Father born England Mother born Canada Secretary Treasurer Oil Co

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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 04 December 10 06:24 GMT (UK) »

Kent County Marriage Register R.G.8 ( 1858 - 1869 )
1866
WALL John
Winter Eliza M

Volume 69
Page 17
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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 04 December 10 06:35 GMT (UK) »

I can see John WALL in the UK Census of 1851 as an apprentice Draper to John MABYN at 53 Wine Street Christchurch Bristol Gloucestershire.

He is aged 16 and birthplace is given as Gloucestershire Stapleton.

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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 04 December 10 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Cross-referencing to another thread on this family to avoid duplication http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,499769.msg3565879.html#msg3565879
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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 04 December 10 08:36 GMT (UK) »
John's mother, Emma can be found in 1851 at her sister's:
Reference HO107/1944/180/5
Address Staple Hill, Mangotsfield (Staple Hill is both a road and a suburb!)

HOBBS, Elizabeth Head  Unmarried F 49 Annuitant b Stapleton Gloucestershire
WALL, Emma        Sister Widow       F 45 Annuitant b Stapleton


Then in 1841, I found this:
Reference HO107/377/4/3
Address Staple Hill, Mangotsfield

HALE, William       75   All born in county (Glouc)
HALE, Aquilla        74
WALL, John            5
WALL, Emma        14
HOBBS, Elizabeth 35
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 04 December 10 08:40 GMT (UK) »
See the other thread for more detail on John's mother Emma and father Robert


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Re: Bristol - 1800-1900
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 04 December 10 14:25 GMT (UK) »
N.B. : I'm posting information regarding Emma Wall and possible father Robert Wall on the other board/thread

Yes, the John Wall you see on the UK Census of 1851 is indeed my ancestor named John Wall who was apprenticed (the document says indentured though) to John Mabyn at 53 Wine Street, Bristol, Gloucestershire. I have no idea what the Christchurch part means. So, if he’s aged 16 in 1851 he would have been born around 1835?

At some point after his indenture he moved to Kent County, Ontario, Canada and in 1866 married Eliza Maria Winter. Ref. : Kent County Marriage Register R.G.8 ( 1858-1869 ), Volume 69, Page 17.

Canadian Census Records
The 1871 Census of Canada has himself, Eliza (his wife), Emma 4, William 2, and John 1. Ref. : C-9892 Page 31.

The 1881 Census of Canada has himself, Eliza (his wife), Emma 14, William 13, John 11, Maud 9, Newton 7, Rush 6, and Mary 1. Ref. : C_13280 Page 52.

Lastly for the Census records, in 1891 the house hold consisted of himself, Eliza (his wife), John 20, Newton 17, Rush 15, Emma 24, Maud 19, Mary 11. Ref. : Roll T-6346
It looks as if William had moved to Ohio by this point.

Canadian Birth Records
John Wall born on 28th Feb. 1872 to John Wall and Eliza Maria Winter.

Newton Birrell Wall born on 10th Sept. 1873 to John Wall and Eliza Maria Winter.

Mary Beattrice Wall born on 20th Feb. 1880 to John Wall and Eliza Maria Winter.

Canadian Marriage Records
16th Sept. 1891 John Wall marries Octavia Stewart. I’ve noticed that they have Octavia down as a spinster. Would that have been the equivalent of a bachelorette back then?

28th Sept. 1892 Emma M Wall marries Walter William Scane.

US Census Records
The 1900 Census has Eliza (head), Newton 26, Rush 25, Mary 20 and boarder A. K. Richards 24. Ref. : Roll T_1255 Page 2A District 85.

The 1920 Census has William E. Wall (head), Alice H (Wife), Louisa (Daughter), Harriet E Drysdale (Mother-in-Law). Ref. : Roll T_1366, Page 4B, District 403, 1873 East 90th Street. From this it shows William immigrated to the US in 1890 and was naturalized in 1895. This is thus why he is not shown in the 1890 Canadian Census. The other entry for 1920 shows George L Hart (head), (Mary) Beatrice (Wife), George (Son), Mary Maud (Daughter), Maud Stevens (sister-in-law – formerly of the Wall household?), and Rush Wall (brother-in-law). Ref. : Roll T_1366, Page 4B, District 403, 1873 East 90th Street (?)

US Death Records
Eliza M Wall died 24th Dec. 1914. Ref. : Volume 1517, Certificate 65474

Newton B. Wall died 23rd Nov. 1927. Ref. : Volume 5488, Certificate 62337