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Offline Peter J

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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 04 December 10 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Sue,

You are quite right, and this is the reason why I feel it is necessary to clarify where the info regarding Victor's military service originally came from.

I am wondering how Lottee first discovered Victor had been in the Army, then perhaps we can establish some dates and places, etc.  :)

Regards,

Peter
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GOYMER [Deal & Dover, Kent]
NEWSOM(E) [Kent]
GUY [Kent]
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LINDSEY [North London & East London]
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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 04 December 10 19:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Peter
The info is from my Dad but he really doesn't know very much. His father died when he was just 10 years old.
This is an extract from my Dad's history that he wrote - 
"My father had been a soldier during the 1914/18 war.  It was during this time that he was severely wounded in the leg and finally after being left in a trench for three days was sent to Woolwich hospital.  Had it not been for my formidable grandmother who insisted they tried to save his leg, Dad would have probably had his injured leg amputated.  The leg healed well and with the addition of a small leather instep added to his shoe, was able to walk again".
Other than that I have nothing.

Lottee
Mason - Yorkshire
Manger -Tynemouth/Hull
Turner - Cottingham
Franklin - Cottingham
Lawrence - London
Bailey - Northumberland
Butler - Hampshire/Channel Isles
Harms - Hampshire/London/India/Northumberland
Timson - Ware, Hertfordshire
Wild & Nield - Lancashire
Row(e) - Buckinghamshire
Manders - Buckinghamshire
Wilkins - Herts
Lamberts - Herts
Crowe -Northern Ireland

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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 04 December 10 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that, Lottee - very interesting  indeed.

Don't know if you are already aware of the following, but in addition to the two candidates you mentioned previously, there are three other MICs for men by the name of 'Victor Lawrence', but without any middle initial...

1) Pte. 4067 Victor Lawrence, London Regiment
2) Pte. 242030 Victor Lawrence, Royal West Kent Regiment
3) Pte. G/1278 Victor Lawrence, The Queen's Regiment

I realise that it is more likely for either of the two men whom you listed previously to be the person you seek, though these others may be worth investigating.

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CROWHURST [Sussex & Kent]
GOYMER [Deal & Dover, Kent]
NEWSOM(E) [Kent]
GUY [Kent]
EZRA [St. Pancras & East London]
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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 05 December 10 08:56 GMT (UK) »
Peter
I've had a look at your three suggestions and as I have little information I cannot dismiss them. Prior to this whenever I entered Victor's name for a military search, this medal card has always come up but I dismissed it.  Then the other day I saw that soldiers were awarded a medal if they were invalided out and this medal card had the SWM which made me think again whilst I notice the three I checked do not have that.
Also Victor always seemed to include his middle name. He went to Africa on about 5 occassions and his records on his arrival back in England show he always included his middle name. Clutching at straws maybe.
Lottee
Mason - Yorkshire
Manger -Tynemouth/Hull
Turner - Cottingham
Franklin - Cottingham
Lawrence - London
Bailey - Northumberland
Butler - Hampshire/Channel Isles
Harms - Hampshire/London/India/Northumberland
Timson - Ware, Hertfordshire
Wild & Nield - Lancashire
Row(e) - Buckinghamshire
Manders - Buckinghamshire
Wilkins - Herts
Lamberts - Herts
Crowe -Northern Ireland


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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 05 December 10 12:02 GMT (UK) »
Lottee,

There is perhaps another line of enquiry you could take; on the MIC for Pte. Lawrence 22812, next to the the entry for the SWB, there is this reference:

List H/1129

This is a reference to the Silver War Badge roll, held at the National Archives, in which information relating to Pte. Lawrence's official reason for, and date of, discharge should be recorded. It will also state the official number of his particular Silver War Badge (each badge was uniquely numbered on the reverse).

The point I am making here is that if the info on the roll corresponds to what you know of 'your' Victor's injuries, then it will be fairly safe to assume that you have the correct MIC, and the right man.

If you are unable to visit Kew, in person (I believe these rolls are not available to view online, though I could be wrong) then it may be possible to perhaps request a look-up, via the forum.

Just a thought.

PJ

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GOYMER [Deal & Dover, Kent]
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GUY [Kent]
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LINDSEY [North London & East London]
ARKELL [Glos. & East London]
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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 05 December 10 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Ref SWB Roll look ups there is no personal info on the Rolls it will state reason but its usually W or S wounds or sickness...

There are always local papers of the time that MAY have reports of wounding.

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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 05 December 10 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Peter, that is a good idea and as we know it was a leg injury it may help, though it sounds like there may not be an awful lot of info from what Ady has said. At the moment any info may be useful as it may help eliminate the Victor Lawrence or not as the case may be.
Which would be the best board to request a look up on?
Lottee
Mason - Yorkshire
Manger -Tynemouth/Hull
Turner - Cottingham
Franklin - Cottingham
Lawrence - London
Bailey - Northumberland
Butler - Hampshire/Channel Isles
Harms - Hampshire/London/India/Northumberland
Timson - Ware, Hertfordshire
Wild & Nield - Lancashire
Row(e) - Buckinghamshire
Manders - Buckinghamshire
Wilkins - Herts
Lamberts - Herts
Crowe -Northern Ireland

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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 05 December 10 23:30 GMT (UK) »
Lottee,

PM sent.

Regards,

Peter.
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CROWHURST [Sussex & Kent]
GOYMER [Deal & Dover, Kent]
NEWSOM(E) [Kent]
GUY [Kent]
EZRA [St. Pancras & East London]
LINDSEY [North London & East London]
ARKELL [Glos. & East London]
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Re: What does this mean on a medal card?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 06 December 10 01:58 GMT (UK) »
Been doing some number crunching on Soldiers Died database...a lot of lads with 228**
prefixes seem to have originally been East Surrey Regiment(and lived in london suburbs)...looks like a big batch of them were re cap badged to possibly 1st or 2nd Borders but the Battalion is unconfirmed....

Ady
Lowe(Lower Gornall-Castleford)
Blackburn (Castleford)
Sidwell(Ledsham)
Fairburn(Hartshead)
Wood(Liversedge)
Tallon (Whittington Lancs/Hartshead West Yorkshire)

Researching all Great War soldiers from the Spen Valley of West Yorkshire Especially lads from the Cleckheaton Company of 1/4th West Riding Regiment.