McDOUGALL family around Goroke/Casterton in Victoria COMPLETED

[judb]

John Alphonus Charles MCDOUGALL's WW1 record gives has a 'permission to enrol' paper signed at Port MacDonnell in 1916 by both parents John and Mary MCDOUGALL.  John Alphonsus's address in November 1923 is given as Wehl St, Mt Gambier.  So both parents were alive and living in Port MacDonnell in 1916.

His Place of Enrolment was Melbourne but I note his medical exam was in Portland.

J A C also has a WW2 record which gives his DoB as 20 August 1895.  NoK for this record is B A MCDOUGALL (obviously the wife found by Cando) - unfortunately not digitised.

This may be a complete red herring but there is a mention in The South Australian Advertiser, Tuesday 23 February 1864 of a Mr A McDougall applying for a licence to teach at Port Macdonnell. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/31833466?searchTerm=mcdougall%20port%20macdonnell&searchLimits=exactPhrase

And a resignation of teacher Mr Alexander MCDOUGALL from Port McDonnell in 1867

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39178109?searchTerm=mcdougall%20port%20macdonnell&searchLimits=exactPhrase

In 1875 an Alexander MCDOUGALL was teacher at Compton Downs.


http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/pmcem.htm

This site has a photo of the grave (which you mentioned) at Port MacDonnell of
John MCDOUGALL d 23 July 1937, aged 75. 

I notice also on this site a photo of the grave of a Mary HITCHCOCK d 1910 aged 78 -wondered if she 'belongs'.

I know very little about BMDs in Suth Australia - surely his place of birth should be on the death certificate? (Assuming the usual: that the informant actually knew that information)

Well found Cando!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a whizz!

Judith

[Aussie1947]

Hi,

This site has the teachers list including reference to an Alexander D McDougall at Port MacDonnell.

http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/research/condon/teachers/service-year-list.asp?ServiceYear=1865

Gerry

[judb]

The site mentioned by Gerry shows that Alexander was in Port MacDonnell 1864-8166, O B Flat 1867-1875 and Compton Downs 1876-1881

http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/research/condon/teachers/Teachers.asp?TeacherID=1157

Teacher ID: 1157
Teacher number: 
Name: McDOUGALL, Alexander D Sex: M
Qualifications: CENTRAL BOARD OF EDUCATION CERTIFICATE 2B 1870

I do not have access to SA BMDs but perhaps there may be an Alexander MCDOUGALL death around Mt Gambier or some further children born to him while he was in the area.  This could eliminate him - or not - as the father of John b abt 1862.

There is another mention which may be of interest:

http://www.sapolicehistory.org/june03.html    (Scroll down the page a bit, past the strong man LOL)

This has a picture of a group of men with a 'rocket apparatus' on Shelley Beach near Port MacDonnell in the 1900s, one of whom is a J MACDOUGALL.

Judith

[Porgi]

Thankyou all rootschatters.

I am overwhelmed by your generosity of time and effort.

I have undertaken a few further investigations with the clues offered and believe I may have found the missing link with Cando's suggestion.

I purchased the 1880 birth cert for Margaret McDougall of Coleraine and indeed it appears only 6 of the 11 children up to 1880 may have been registered at birth.

Amongst them is a "John" who was 18 in 1880 giving him a birth year of 1862 (looking good for a bingo!).

I will have to find some way to verify this is the correct "John" however the brick wall' is looking more surmountable.

I am not sure about the Alexander who was a teacher in Port Macdonnell this doesn't resonate with the family history I do know. However I will check it out.

Thankyou for all the other information. I haven't started on the Hitchcock family yet but I am developing a richer picture day by day.

I did visit the old lighthouse cemetery in Port Macdonnell earlier this year (fascinating place) and it appears there are several Hitchcocks there in the very old overgrown part as well.

Unfortunately I couldn't find the old house based on my childhood memories.

  

[cando]

I purchased the 1880 birth cert for Margaret McDougall of Coleraine and indeed it appears only 6 of the 11 children up to 1880 may have been registered at birth.

This is not at all unusual to find so many births unregistered. 

Does the certificate show the date and place of marriage for Alexander and Elizabeth?

Where were Alexander and Elizabeth born?

These births are the only McDOUGALL births in the area with father Alexander.

What at the names of the children on the birth certificate please?

Cheers
Cando

[Aussie1947]

South Australia Almanac & Directory 1867

Hitchcock Sam, farmer, MacDonnell Bay
Hitchcock Isc, farmer, MacDonnell Bay
Hitchcock Ish, farmer, MacDonnell Bay

MacDonnell Bay was probably an old name for Port MacDonnell.

Gerry

[Porgi]

Cando,

The following information on the birth certificate for  Margaret McDougall born 12 Jan 1880

Children born prior;
Alexander age 20
John age 18
Ann age 16
James age 14
Elizabeth age 12
Allan age 10
Lewis age 8
Mary age 6
Catherine age 4
Robert Grant age 1

The age of father Alexander is given as 49 years, mother Elizabeth as 39 years. The year of  marriage is Jan 28 1858 in Coleraine.

Birth place for both parents is Inverness Shire Scotland

[cando]

Coleraine didn't have a Presbyterian church as such until after the date of the marriage - 1958 noted on the birth certificate.
http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/coleraine/standrews_coleraine.htm

From the website
In 1857 the Rev. R SUTHERLAND [MA], arrived at Merino and conducted services at Merino, Coleraine, Casterton, Hotspur and Digby during his short stay.


I only detail this info as usually I would suggest contacting the church to find the location of any parish records from the era.

Australian Electoral Roll
1903  Division of Wimmera  Polling Place Kiata
McDOUGALL Alexander Kiata  Farmer
McDOUGALL Elizabeth  Kiata  HD
McDOUGALL Elizabeth  Kiata  HD
McDOUGALL James Snr  Kiata  Farmer
McDOUGALL James Jnr

[cando]

Sorry about that however I am unable to modify to complete the above post so will press on.

Correction....
McDOUGALL James Snr Kiata  Labourer
McDOUGALL James Jnr  Kiata  Labourer
McDOUGALL Henrietta Wilhelmina  Kiata  HD
McDOUGALL Jane Rankin  Kiata  HD
McDOUGALL Robert Grant  Kiata Labourer

All these McDOUGALL's may not be your family but Robert Grant is a son of Alexander and Elizabeth.

Deaths

McDOUGALL Lewis Grand  [I wonder if this should be Grant]
Father McDougall Alex   Mother Elizabeth  GRANT
At Ouyen 73  1945  Reg#17200
Buried at Ouyen Cemetery
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Ouyen.htm

INGRAM Ann
Father McDougall Alexander  Mother Elizabeth GRANT
At Mildura  78 years  1942  Reg#28053
The Mildura Rural City Council hold cemetery records.
http://www.mildura.vic.gov.au/page/page.asp?page_id=32

McDOUGALL James
Father McDougall Alexander  Mother Elizabeth GRANT
At Shepparton  75 years  1942  Reg#23794
http://www.greatershepparton.com.au/ourregion/cemeteries/

PRYOR Mary Jane
Father McDougall Alexander  Mother Elizabeth GRANT
At East Brunswick  67 years 1940  Reg#8087
Buried at Fawkner Cemetery
http://165.228.105.134/deceaseddetail.asp?ServiceID=71661&location=R/C*R***3165&Cemetery=Fawkner

DOYLE Elizabeth
Father Mcdougall Alexander Mother Elizabeth  GRANT
At Horsham  66 years 1940 Reg#15896
Died 20 Feb 1940  aged 66 years and buried at Horsham with husband John DOYLE who died on 26 Apr 1961 aged 85 years.

BARNES Margaret
Father McDougall Alexander  Mother Elizabeth GRANT
At Werribee  1954  Reg#23970

McDOUGALL Robert Grant
Father Alexander  Mother Elizabeth GRANT
At Dandenong  78 years  1957  Reg#19503
A possible place of burial could be Cheltenham Cemetery
http://www.focrc.org/locategrave.htm

BRENNAN Catherine Gertrude
Father McDougall Alexander  Mother Elizabeth GRANT
At Horsham  94 years  1969  Reg#26185
Is not on the list of headstones at Horsham.

Cheers
Cando