McDOUGALL family around Goroke/Casterton in Victoria COMPLETED

[Porgi]

I am searching for my McDougall ancestors and have hit a brick wall! (I'm very new to this!)

Paternal great grandfather was John McDougall born around 1860-62 ostensibly in Goroke Victoria according to his marriage certificate to Maryann Hitchcock in 24/09/1891.

His father's name was Alexander (he was was his witness on the marriage cert). I believe he may have been born around Casterton in Victoria. I don't have any other details.

Would appreciate any assistance

[judb]

Hi, and welcome to Rootschat. 

Can you give us any more information for any of the family mentioned on the certificate you have.  Where was the wedding and what exactly does it say for the birthplace of John and his father?  Is there any info re John's mother?

Casterton and Goroke are a long way apart!

More information will help us search.  for example, there are a number of will on the PROV site for Alexander MCDOUGALL but, without knowing his occupation and/ordeath date or place we can't work out which one (if any) it might be.

I couldn't see a John McDougall b abt 1861 with father Alexander.    My access is fairly limited though- someone else may have more luck.  I couldn't even see the marriage.

Judith

[XXXX]

Hi Porgi,

I have checked the Victorian indexes for the marriage of John McDougall and Maryann Hitchcock that you have mentioned in your post and regrettably this event does not appear to have occurred in Victoria.

As Judith has requested in her reply to your post more information, could you please also advise if known, where and when your John and Maryann died.

Please find following a little bit of information about a McDougall family from Goroke.  (It could be possible that this Alexander may be your John’s brother, but obviously more information is required).

Alexander McDougall (born Coleraine) married in 1887 to Elizabeth Margaret Whittingham (born (Narracorte, South Australia.)
Alexander died before Elizabeth.

Elizabeth McDougall (nee Whittingham) died 17.07.1944, Edenhope, age 87, her parents were Thomas Whittingham and Mary Cairns, Reg#20439, Elizabeth is buried at Edenhope Cemetery.

Their children:

Alexander William McDougall born 1888, Goroke, Reg#11891
Alexander McDougall died 1909, Rainbow, Reg#13956, age 21.

John Thomas McDougall born 1889, Goroke, Reg#22207

Alvenas McDougall born 1891 in Goroke, Reg#3704
Alvenas McDougall married 1920, to Walter Laidlaw Fletcher - Reg#4782

Florence Helena McDougall born 1892, Edenhope, Reg#32137
Florence Helena McDougall married 1928, to Ernest Tappolet - Reg#10754

James Allan McDougall born 1894, Edenhope, Reg#28868
James Allan McDougall died 04.10.1915 - on shipboard between Gallipoli and Alexandria.
13th Light Horse Regiment - Service Number 520.
Australian Defence Force personnel record (Digitised copy):
http://www.naa.gov.au


Cheers,

Janet.

[judb]

Further to Janet's WW1 information for James Allan MCDOUGALL died 1915 - in the digitised record is a letter from his mother (Elizabeth MCDOUGALL of Edenhope) dated 1920 stating she has had no 'tidings' of her husband's whereabouts for the past 23 years, and does not know whther he is alive or dead. 

Judith

[Porgi]

Thanks  for your replies.

A few more details from the marriage certificate and family history.

The marriage took place in Mt Gambier at St Paul's. The name of the groom's father is given as Alexander with the residence of the groom and groom's father given as Goroke at that time (1891).

Mayanne and John both lived, died and were buried at Port Macdonnell in SA (at the old lighthouse cemetery). I remember when I was little meeting my ggrand mother Maryann at their old family home in Port Macdonnell when she was in her 90s

Veronica Sara Mc Dougall (known as Vera) their daughter was my grand mother on my father's side (both now buried in Mt Gambier). I think I may have tracked down a couple of her siblings; John Alphonsus Charles Mc Dougall (has WW1 records), James (no other details) and baby Winnifred who appears to have died in infancy. There are perhaps more.

As  my parent were divorced and both have passed I have very little verbal history to go on tracking this side down. It was my father who mentioned many years ago he thought his ggrand father Alexander may have come from Casterton? Perhaps this is a red herring!

My (inexpert) search of Victorian BMD records online gave me too many John and Alexander McDougalls to deal without a concrete thread I think.

I have been unable to locate any SA records online to search.

Once again thanks for the interest and assistance. I am a new rootschat user but love the medium!!

[Aussie1947]

Hi,

Victorian Po Directory 1888.

McDougall Alexander, farmer Colerane.

also

Victorian Government Gazette No113, Friday October 25th 1889, p 3676.

transfer of 312 acre lease with Alexander McDougall, address Colerane ,as the transferee.

look for corro 9114

 http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/view.cgi?year=1889&class=general&page_num=3639&state=V&classNum=G113

Gerry

[cando]

Although you have the marriage certificate these are the details on the marriage index for SA.

McDOUGALL John  29 years  Status Single  Father Alexander McDOUGALL
HITCHCOCK Mary Ann 21 years  Status Single  Father Samuel HITCHCOCK
24 Sep 1891
At St Paul Mount Gambier   Gre 168/1144
 
According to the info in South Australian Resources at the top of the board, the following info is on marriage certs between 1868-1907
    * Date and Place of Marriage
    * Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages and Rank
    * Condition
    * Trade
    * Residence
    * Father's names

I am wondering when you mention that  John McDougall born around 1860-62 ostensibly in Goroke Victoria according to his marriage certificate to Maryann Hitchcock in 24/09/1891. if that is correct as there doesn't appear to be mention of a provision for the place of birth for either the bride or groom on marriage certificates in that era only their place of residence at time of the marriage.

Looking at the Victorian Birth indexes I notice a number of births around Koroit, Dundas and Coleraine to an Alexander McDOUGALL and Elizabeth GRANT. These are the only births in Victoria to an Alexander McDOUGALL to 1881.   I would mention at this stage that not all births were registered and perhaps John was amongst that category.  I will detail the births I have found and one avenue for you to find if indeed this Alexander McDOUGALL and Elizabeth GRANT were the parents of a John born c1862would be to purchase a birth certificate of one of the later births which will name all previous births to this couple and their place of marriage. In Victoria you can purchase an image online and immediately download for $17.50
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Information on all certificates in Victoria
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

I would purchase the 1880 birth cert.  Of course this is only a suggestion and there is always the chance that this is not your McDOUGALL family.

Births in Victoria

McDOUGALL James
Father Alexander  Mother Eliza GRANT
At Koroit  1865  Reg#21147
 
McDOUGALL Elizabeth
Father Alexander  Mother Elizabeth GRANT
At Dundas  1867  REg#20926

McDOUGALL Lewis
Father Alexander  Mother Eliza GRANT
At Dundas  1871  Reg#22281

McDOUGALL Catherine
Father Alexander  Mother Eliza GRANT
At WA TE  1876  Reg#1592

MCDOUGALL Robert Grant
Father Alexander  Mother Elisabeth GRANT
At Coleraine  1878  Reg#14735

McDOUGALL Margaret
Father Alexander  Mother Elizabeth GRANT
At Coleraine   1880   Reg#1479

Good luck.

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Catherine's place of birth WA TE is Wategat in the Shire of Wannon, County of Dundas.

Cando

[cando]

Births in South Australia

McDOUGALL Mary Rose
4 Dec 1891
Father John McDOUGALL  Mother Mary Ann HITCHCOCK
At Port MacDonnell  Gre 491/121

McDOUGALL John Alphonsus Charles
20 Aug 1895
Father John MCDOUGALL  Mother Mary Ann HITCHCOCK
At Port MacDonnell  Gre 571/93

McDOUGALL Kathleen Ellen
19 Jun 1899
Father John MCDOUGALL  Mother Mary Ann HITCHCOCK
At Port MacDonnell   Gre M 644/223

McDOUGALL Margaret Winifred
19 Jun 1899
Father John MCDOUGALL  Mother Mary Ann HITCHCOCK
At Port MacDonnell  Gre M 644/223

McDOUGALL Veronica Sarah
30 Jul 1902
Father John MCDOUGALL  Mother Mary Ann HITCHCOCK
AT Port MacDonnell  Gre 700/268

Death
McDOUGALL Margaret Winifred
21 Mar 1901
Age 1 year 9 months  StatusChild  Relative John McDOUGALL [Father]
Lived and died at Port McDonnell   Gre 276/324

Marriages
HAY James Francis  23 years Status Single  Father John HAY
McDOUGALL Mary Rose  21 years Status Single  Father John McDOUGALL
19 May 1913
At the Presbyterian Manse Mount Gambier  Gre 255/610

McDOUGALL John Alphonsus Charles  24 years  Status Single  Father John McDOUGALL
HAMMOND  Beatrice Adela  25 years  Status Single  Father Robert Shallum HAMMOND
30 Mar 1920
At the Methodist Church Port MacDonnell   Gre 282/1070

I will pm the births to both couples as there is always a possibility that these people may be living.

Cheers
Cando