Engel from India to Australia

[specialkmp]

Stuck...Can anyone help in anyway....Researching Bernard James ENGEL b. abt 1893 married Dorothea Annie VICK 3 Aug 1914 Adelaide.
I believe his parents could be Harry (Henry) Michael ENGEL d.29 Aug 1943 Sefton Pk, SA and Edith SHENTON d. 30 Aug 1932 Sefton Pk, SA. This is only from a newspaper source can't seem to locate Birth details for Bernard on Digger.
Family ledgend is that Bernards father and mother came to Australia from India. His father sent his boys abroad and some went to America. Legend is also that he was Jewish and married a christian Indian.
Does anyone know how to get information about ship arrivals from India? been trying all the German and English passenger lists. Or births in india. Thank you

[andycand]

Hi

Ancestry has a marriage between Hy Michl ENGEL and Shenton Edith FREEMAN in 1889 in Victoria Reg No 2189

Ancestry also has 2 births for this couple, no sign of a Bernard

Beatrice Lilian ENGEL 1901 Collingwood Victoria Reg No 10209
Kate Susie ENGEL 1890 Richmond Victoria Reg No 7084

If you are looking for passenger lists from India look for ships that came from the UK, depending upon which route they took some called into India but passenger indexes often show where the ship originated not where a passenger boarded, you need to look at actual passenger lists to see port of embarkation

Andy

[specialkmp]

Thank you for looking for me. I will follow up the Victorian link. Maybe they moved to South Australia? Is there any where that recorded families moving from State to State? I have a death notice for Edith Shenton Engel with her husband stated as Henry Michael and all the grandchildren are listed. My mistake was thinking Shenton was her maiden name so you have given me more to consider.
Thank you and have a lovely christmas

[XXXX]

Hi,

Further to Andy’s post of 2 December on the Federation Index of Births, Deaths and Marriages 1889 - 1901 for Victoria

Edith Shenton Freeman lists her place of birth as India and Henry Michael Engel states that he was born At Sea as part of their marriage registration

Beatrice Lilian Engel died 1901, in Collingwood, Reg#5307

You can download the marriage certificate for $17.50 (Andy has provided you with the registration number), the marriage certificate will have the parents names of both the bride and groom:

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Please also find a link to Victorian Public Records Office where you can look up Passenger Arrivals for the State of Victoria.

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp

Cheers,

Janet.

[specialkmp]

Bingo!  Thank you very much. Have had this mystery for some time now and didn't know about the Victoria connection. Awesome thank you very very much

[XXXX]

Hi,

Not sure if this is any use to you, on the National Archives of Australia website there is a 64 page digitised Australian Defence Forces Personnel Record for a Gelson Henry Frederick Engel born in Poona, India, also but not digitised, the Naturalisation Record of Henry Engel that you will be able to send off to NAA for a photocopy.

http://www.naa.gov.au

Cheers,

Janet.

[voilet freeman]

hi my name is cless  my grandmother was ediths aunt we have pictures of them together if you would like to see. I am looking to see the family of Ediths sister in law. there seems to be different sources of information on her name my mum said her name was elizabeth kelway but it seems she was a phillips middle name was either angela or jane any information even legend would be appreciated. my phone is (*)  or  ^(*)  i would like to know the dates edith came back to australia My family has always said they returned when Ediths brother james samuel robert freeman was 21 but their parents had a child blanche in australia also a mary jane. so was edith and james left alone in india i cant find any passage by sea records. thank you


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[specialkmp]

Hi. Just got your msg.  I will check my records tomorrow and let you know what I have . I am in Queensland Australia and it's late at the moment, so I thought I should check where you are from before calling. Do you have an email address? That way I can just send you information.

All the best
Kristy

[voilet freeman]

 :hi I put my email in but it wouldn't except it I'll try again (*) I have a photo of james samuel robert freeman . there is a lot more including opalized photos  but my cousin whose has passed. gave them to his daughter and I have been unable to contact her. (*) paul's daughter.  Any information on who James Samuel Robert Freeman married would be great.  Also how long were they in India for??  My Gran said for 21 years but that doesn't make sense because of the timing of the train accident etc. My number is (*)  sms sometimes its on silent there is no voice mail love to here from you. 

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